How do I put this...

I do not know what to ***le this thread, but I just have to post this. I do not expect this to change the world, and I don't expect it to last simply because of what i am going to say...

I have been into cars since day one - literally. I have spent decades in this hobby / industry - and I am a young person. I am an admirer of anything that someone puts their time into. Granted it may not be something I would own, or exactly my taste, but at least these people are doing something they enjoy. And that to me is what makes this hobby, business, life great.

I see so many people on here trash talking what others do or what they like - to their own car. It isn't like they are coming into your garage and forcing it on you and your vehicle.

If you don't like a word or phrase that someone may use - you need to seek out some counseling, because you have bigger issues.

I know this is a "traditional" board and I like to see it stay that way, but to knock a "traditional styled" car, because it is a reproduction or something else that just doesn't fit in with what has been deemed cool or admissible is totally incomprehensible to me.

It baffles me that a group of people - car lovers - that I always admired and looked up to have turned into a snobbish, self centered, arrogant, holier than thou club.

To me the only thing that sounds historically reflective about that to me is racism, bigotry, and segregation.

Remember when a "hot rodder" was an outcast. When did it become socially acceptable with in the hot rod community to outcast the hot rodder?

As far as this whole "traditional" thing I ask you to go to your shop, garage, driveway, or shed and take a look at your own car, if you even own one, and study it before you p*** judgement on another's labor, sweat, and dreams...

Last time I checked a Camaro subframe, Mustang II, Vintage Air, TPI, S10 ch***is, radial WWW, etc, etc, etc were not around 60 years ago. But somehow, somewhere some one here decided those were ok, and the majority have accepted them into what is "traditional but upgraded for modern convenience".

I am just tired of all the school girl bickering and I wish we could get back to why we all original got into this hobby. A love of cars. A love of car people. A love of helping out others.

I am not knocking the HAMB idea, it's creator, or it's mission. I do not plan on leaving here. I am glad Ryan has put a lot of time, money, and effort into this thing that I frequent often. I have learned a lot here and made some great friends. And for that I am grateful.

So with that being said I am sure I will get hammered, locked, or deleted, but at least I know for that brief second I chose not to be a follower and I "stood up against the crowd".

 

Amen! Well put.

 

Would U like to tell us how U really feel????
Well stated!!!!!!!!!

 

I know. I tend to hold things back.

 

Complaining about complaining is the new flat black of flat black things.
I would knock a thread on carbon fiber tuner wings if it were on this site because this is a TRADITIONAL car site. I don't give a rats if it took the guy half his blood, one leg 8000 hours and his marriage to do. It just don't belong on this site.
If people stopped posting O/T cars and **** like that here then there wouldn't be the issue you have.
Now Im not hating you, just looking in from a different window. Some things just don't belong here.
Doc.
(Yeah, I am the worst offender on the O/T unemployment thread, but it related directly to (Traditional) cars for me)

 

Sorry, that sounds a lot harsher than I meant it to be.
Doc.

 

There are a lot of people out there who need something better to worry about. They trash other peoples cars on the internet beacause they can,and not have to get punched in the face for it.

 

I'm with you.... there's lots of people finding other forums to go to!!

What's really funny is a lot of the time, the people who are so negative and start the arguments, do nothing to contribute a good tech thread, or any other thread that would be helpful!!

 

Doc I know where you are coming from. And I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone. I have been here for many years. Registered for over four of them.

What gets me are the true O/T posts (i.e. my '94 Carvan won't go into reverse, what's the factory color for my 1968 Mustang, anybody know why my Prius is overheating, etc) that get reply after reply, but someone builds a traditional styled car with their own tastes and it gets slaughtered by the board. And those doing the slaughtering have accepted "modern upgrades" like I listed above.

I still don't get what a lot of people have decided to "let slide" on here. That's all.

 

I know i don't know much about about anything but after i posted my introduction i posted about my friends problem with the dmv and the state of illinois and how they were gonna try to pin a felony on him for buying a registration for a car and trying to use it to ***le his car.I was only trying to warn people who might have bought the same thing from the same guy and i was almost tossed out on my ear by a few guys on here and was told i was lying about the situation or told that my friend was an idiot but it seems to me that there is alot of that that goes on even on here.So I know we don't live in a perfect world but i was only trying to help keep others from the same problem only to be crucified for it.

 

Different people come here for different reasons - I'm personally still not entirely sure why I find this site so interesting. I'd like to think I'm here to share a little knowledge about what I think I know and to learn a little more about what I don't know.

The part that puzzles me the most here - is the name calling and the worshiping - neither appeals to me, but aparently that too must be somewhat traditional.

I try not to p*** judgement on someone's car, but at the same time if I think when something's dangerous - it should be be mentioned - in a nice way.

The herd mentality takes many forms - the HAMB is not immune. I sorta doubt it ever will be. But it IS NICE when you see it moving towards a higher goal. I think we all tend to loose track of that from time to time. Posts like yours are great to remind us of such things. For that I will say Thank You - it was a great read!!!

 

You know, nothing kills a useless or off topic thread better than ignoring it. So, if you see a thread you don't like, for whatever reason, p*** on it. It's really not that hard. Works for me. The power of the mouse is strong.

 

All the *****ing about someone elses car (BTW, I agree 100% with you) seems to be a result of the winter weather. Too wet/snowy to drive, too cold to go out in the garage, but nice and warm by the computer.

 

Thats a fair call, over here a truly Trad car would probably never get road registration. I know my cars have had concessions to the rules and if I ever build another they too will. I like trad cars but understand that you still need to drive them and make them safe, this takes compromises (At least here it does).
Look at the gl*** car thread, Rats car is exquisite, a truly beautiful car and its gl***.
Doc.

 

Cheer up everybody, I hear that after Tuesday all your problems will be solved.

 

10-4

 

Theres an obvious nod the the purple people eater thread here. I'm pretty sure bickering is the nature of the HAM-Beast. I appreciate all the HAMB has to offer, so I try to p*** this stuff by. Lots of good info when U need it.

 

carbs and chrome...i understand where you are coming from ....take tfeverfred s idea one step further...best thing is to take a brake and not log on for a couple weeks....get a feel for the stuff you like and forget about the guys who spend more time on thier mouses than cars

 

Well put C&C.

 

Are we in for a big surprise or alot of us in trouble?Or are some of use younger members gonna be deleted?

 

Got to love the faceless internet bashing........thats why I left the world of 89-93 mustang racing....It became a peeing contest and bashing fest......I am a late entry into the vintage world of auto's and this forum is better by far than most....my 2 pennies
I love the H.A.M.B though good stuff on what ever you need....got a question post and its answered in secounds and not days like other places

 

Some people just aren't happy, unless they're not...
They'll invent something to ***** about, if they can't find anything else.

 

I agree with both of you. I almost felt bad about blasted the guy about wanting advice on what parts too strip from one 70' Mopar to put on another. The only reason I felt bad was because I shouldn't have started it the way I did. Had it been "What part can I get outta this for my 50's-60's Mopar I would have been glad to see it. A PM to someone in the know would have worked just as well. Posting O/T in the thread ***le does not magically make it okay to post on the HAMB.

That being said I like seeing innovation and use of modern parts here, where appropriate. Ranger frame under a 30's RPU WTF!! Same frame under a fat fendered custom total nother story.

I'm not going to waste my time anymore on the O/T Just gonna hit the report ****on and move on and let the Mods do their job.

 

A little thing called the Inaguration of a new President. Wikipedia sarcasm and read the whole thing retread.

 

Doc, I think you missed his point a little in your first response. I'm pretty sure he was talking about people who bag on a fairly traditional style car that might be galss or have some styling that doesn't fit "The Mold". I don't think he was talking about carbon fiber wings etc.
I agree with what he had to say and I'd love to see how many of these whiners actually have a Truly Traditional car (if you can actaully define that). Not many I'd bet.

 

Good comments.

Maybe, instead of bashing an O/T post and keeping it at the top of the stack, if you REALLY feel a post is waaaaaay off topic, just hit the "Report" ****on under the poster's name and let the Mods do their thing.

 

I missed You. Good to have Ya back.



I have been doing this on a professional level for 20 Years. The "sewing circle" is never ending. That's why it is so remarkable when there is a singular car everone can agree is "just plain *****in."

and it doesn't matter what circle of car guys we are talking about either.

 

I have found out that if your threads are worded correctly for this board most the time there wont be a problem. Just like this thread if the first 3 or 4 comments were negative. The thread might have gone down hill fast because of the feeding frenzy that would have followed. We will always have the other side of every opinion and that is fine as long as it is constructive Like the way doc put it. Most the young guys get on here to learn about tradition of cars, and some time they will use the wrong word in asking a question. But instead of bashing them with popcorn and ****er. One more explanation might make a true tradition fabricator come to life. Just my opinion...ghost

 

C&C, well put.
My father is 77. He used to race a '48 Mercury coupe back in '50. When I tried to explain how some of the people on here whine about something 'not being traditional', he chuckled.
I looked at him and he said, "Isn't it funny, how now the rule breakers have rules?" (referring to hotrodders).

I just smiled.

If someone wants to build something to specs, whether factory specs or (I'm beginning to hate this word) 'traditional' specs, knock yourself out....but don't knock someone because they want to put power disc brakes on a 1950's car (yes, no lie, I was given **** because I think stopping my car is kind of important---silly me).

Remember, it is their ride and they're the ones that have to ride in it.

And for the shallow-sighted: Like it or not, This site has grown. Grown to be a staple for even those gawd-awful nissan tuners, but that's kind of our own fault. Where else do you find such good info?? The HAMB. Period.

Should they post pics and talk shop about their datsun's? HELL NO. That is not what this site is and I'll be the first to flame them on that, but it's grown way past being just traditional, and that needs to be realized and embraced.

If something can not change, than it can not grow, or thrive, and is doomed to fail.

Personally, I want the HAMB to thrive.
There is just too much all of us have to offer. Our old *** cars are getting scarcer and more expensive every year. Who do you think will take our place? Yeah, it will be those young guys you talk ****e too.
If ya don't offer them guidance (which really is the hotrodder way), they will go their own path and yours will die off with your stubbornness and be forgotten.

In a nutshell, listen to Thumper's father.
(that's from Bambi for you youngsters)

 

yes,
please let the moderators and editors know when a thread goes too far