How do you push an early Ford front axle out?

You haven't stepped on my toes.

In between the drama there is an answer. Its like soupe you eat the meat and spit out the bones.

 

because its been covered a million times on here, people keep asking the same BS over and over. if people would just READ a book about it, and then do a little research we wouldnt have to answer everyones questions.

me telling him to go read up on the subject, and then post up what he learned is me being an asshole??!?!??!

im an asshole for not wanting the guy to start hacking into something without knowing what hes doing?!?!?!

 

What kinda soup you eatin? LOL! I feel ya'. I'm not expecting puppies and kittens here, just answers.

 

SinsterCustoms Answered the question with a pretty clear picture in post #25. . .

The only thing I can add is you want to mount the perches through the wishbones and put the weight of the car on it before you weld it in, this will give you the correct angle and prevent the spring binding up.

. . . also, sometimes the axle will hit the frame horns and you may need to notch them if you decide to leave them on.

 

Oh the drama. You're right low-n-slo, we all gotta learn somewhere. Asking a similar question that may have already been asked might bring up some new information we can all benefit from. I don't know a whole lot untame, but check out this thread it has a good basic description with pictures of suicide and spring off wishbone suspension setups:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150434

 

i dont think thats what the hamb is at all, it wasnt me who said that. theres tons of tech here, TONS. "preaching the gospel of traditional hotrodding" well if you want the gospel you read the bible dont you? so same with the hamb, people should read it. instead of hacking up cars without even knowing what the parts are.

 

Wow, as a FNG you can take it for what its worth...about two weeks ago I didnt know what bones were ..or really what suicide front ends were either for that matter, but since I am currently learning what I can about doing the chassis for my Hudson I have been reading about three hours a night to figure it out. When I get an idea of what I going to run I'll run it by you guys...of course the guy who built the front end on my death trap could of asked a few more questions...

 

i think the reason most people come on here and just post aquestion right off is because they (like me) had been on numerous sites looking for info before and tried to use the search function on those sites only to find out they dont do anything so when they come here they dont think the search works on this site

i know the first time i tried to use the search over here i was actually surprised that it works

as far as the original question goes i dont know i have never worked on a model A let alone owned one so this is kinda a learning thread for me aswell


i still get alittle hacked when someone new asks a question that i know has been asked befor and they get all the do a search crap answers instead of (the person posting the do a search ) just rolling thier eyes back in thier head or biting his /her tounge and saying to themself ok ONE MORE time heres the answer

people seem to think that everybody else allready knows what they know themselves

 

Hi Untame... Don't get too discouraged over some comments.. We all started learning sometime earlier in life.. I remember asking my old man (35 year Chevy Olds mechanic) some dumb questions when I was learning to rebuild 283s, back in Kansas..

Someone mentioned a book that might help. I shoot photos of things I like or for a future references at hot rod event, swap meets, etc, and still ask a dumb question once in a while.. The HAMB is a GREAT place to learn...

Here is a photo taken at the Springfield 2009 swap meet with a perch out front. Chassis was for sale. I photographed it for future reference as I have a '39 Ford cab in my garage to use someday..
http://www.pbase.com/nmsandrail/image/116600587

PorkNBeaner.. Someday, I hope to meet you.. My fiancee lived in Raytown, before I lost her in 2005 to cancer.. I lived in Blue Springs and my main account was the AT&T National Data Center on 63rd Street in KCMO. I appreciate all you have done to help others on the HAMB...

Best wishes to you all.. duane

 

You are partially right. But when I have a question, I can call my pastor.

 

GOD you guys make me sick! I often hear people dog on the Corvette crowd for being upitty. Some of you remind me of them, know it all's. Cant talk about rat rods as if its a 4 letter word? Nothing off topic? Oh, you like low ridders? Smells like snobs in here. I love all cars and all people that build their own cars but some of you seem to be king shit.

I have worked hard to build a traditional hot rod, often called a rat rod by unknowing people. Chaulk it up to the uneducated population, I am still learning all of your "cool" terms myself and I bleed oil.

Untamed... welcome here and keep learning as I am. Dont be put off by the untollerant know it alls. Obviously you are trying to learn before you "cut up" the last remaining old part in existance. UGGGGHHH

 

Untame

There is a recent posts about front ends. I think it is called A-bones. It has a lot of good pictures.----------------------"Rolling bones front suspension" Just went back and looked at it again.

 

Thanks for all of the tips and encouragement. I tried searching before I started this thread, but (as you can see from the thread title) I didn't know the correct terms for which to search. Someone in the "Welcome" forum recommended that I post my question here. Now that I know the correct terms I have searched and found many helpful threads. For this reason I would close this thread, but I see users do not have the ability to close threads they start.

FWIW, my day job is building custom super cars. Right now we are building a 1939 Dusenberg Coupe Simone (Thunder V12 w/ Tremec T6060), a 1939 Delahaye Type 165 Cabriolet (Jaguar V12), and converting a 1969 Ferrari 365GT into a 1957 Ferrari 250GT one-of-a-kind built for Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. I've attached a recent picture of the Ferrari. In the background you can see wooden bucks for a Ferrari California Spider and the Delahaye.

The '30 hot rod is just a hobby -- not a religion.

Untame

 

BTW... has anyone flipped over the front cross member to lower the front end?

Untame

 

Awesome. Thanks.

Untame

 

I decided against lengthening the wheel base. Instead I removed the front crossmember this afternoon. I'm going to flip it and run the stock axle. I should get 2-2.5" of drop this way. I am going to channel the body over the frame, and I will run smaller wheels up front. This will probably get me the stance I'm after.

Untame

 

We have a spare room and there is food as a rule.
Give me a couple of days notice so I can make sure you get clean sheets.

Truth is that I may help or I may be an ass or both. Someday maybe someone somewhere will say I built this and it will be just the way I would have done it. I feel sorry for the fella but it still could work out that way.

 

I've seen your shops work and it's some of the best in the world... bar none!

Wisconsin seems to have a surprise around every corner!

 

Thanks! That must be why we do jobs for people all over the world. My boss (shop owner) is a fabulous aluminum fabricator. Nobody can build curves and torch weld aluminum as well as he can.

I'm real curious who you are now... we work at the end of a dirt road past a few Amish farms -- top secret. You don't do custom paint do you? Have you seen the Cobra bodies or Ferraris?

 

Past Ferrari owner who's been to your shop not as a customer but as a tourist.

I've crewed for a couple of racers who had brought their cars to your shop for repairs... ie... Racing Cobra's... Ferrari's... Astin Martins... the type of cars that are raced at the Vintage Days at Elkhart Lake Road America.

I've seen the Green Ferrari when you were loading it up for the Pebble Beach show I believe.

 

Excellent. We are transitioning away from rebodies and toward custom replicas (like the comissioned Dusenberg and Delahaye customs we're working on right now). The owner has his heart set on building a fleet of 1957 Mercedes 300 SLR coupes. He's given me the task of figuring out how to replicate (within reason) the two-block straight eight. I think it is impossible, but he's a big dreamer and doesn't let reality limit his achievements.

Untame

 

I like where this thread ended up. I've wondered about flipping a front crossmember also, on an early Model T they look like it could be just be flipped over. I understand there would be alot more involved but to get the height started... Post some pics of what you did if you get time...

 

I'm going to pickle the frame in vinegar before reassembling. The car's been in the woods for 50 years, so it's got a thick layer of "patina." I'll get some after pictures once I've reinstalled the crossmember. I think I'll only net a couple inches, but the nuance will go a long way in raking the stance. I also like the fact that it is a simple (subtle) mod in the spirit of trad-rodding.

Untame

 

This!

You got to do at least some work before you ask simple basic questions such as the one this thread is centred on.

If I want to build particular type of car (or building, or gate, no difference) I spend hours, days, reading and searching all aspects and opinions, pictures, experience etc. See what gels, see what is repeated, make my own decisions.

Something I was told when I was an apprentice, when I'd asked a question of the machine shop inspector. His response: if I tell you, you'll know. If you take a little time and effort to find out for yourself, you'll fuckin' well remember!

 

A word! suicide front end refers to moving the front axle in front of the cross member, and, removing the frame horns.
Why? because there is nothing to catch the frame when the spring breaks, dropping the nose into the ground, which is never good.
Track roadster did it all of the time, but it was discouraged for street cars.
You could also z the frame, just like the rear z, but that is more trouble.
Buy the dropped axle, and appropriate spindles, and be safe!
Hell of a lot less work

 

Has anyone read his profile? The guy states he is building a "Patina Rod' IE, Rat Rod.
Honestly this is the nicest I have ever seen anyone 'cop it' who is building a Rat Rod. I find it funny that he is only building it because he found the car on some land he bought!!
Yeah we are very 'Uppity' here about traditional cars, why? For some of us, these traditional Hot Rods are our main interest in life. In fact it is a part of our 'way of life' not just a hobby or interest.
We come here so we do not have to put up with Rat Rods, Street Rods, Tuners, Super cars, Ferrari's etc. You may only be one guy but we have many of those 'only One guy' log on here a day and frankly most of us are sick of it.
This web site is here for only a very narrow interest field and I, like many are sick of people who do not understand this.
Like you have been told, do some reading on this site, find out what we are all about then come back with your questions.

Your question is just like asking on a hard core Porsche forum how do I lower my Volkswagen 550 Spyder replica? Its offensive.
If you want to build a Rat Rod, go to a rat rod site.
One would think that someone whom works amongst such 'elite' and 'High Class' cars would understand the social dynamics at play here.

It really is not that difficult, all it takes is a few minutes of reading what the site is all about just like you are asked to do before making your first post.
For some life is simple, for others.......

Doc.

 

Wow Doc, lucky he didn't ask about the deth wobbel ! I just don't find this as offensive as a lot of other stuff on here.

 

Are "traditional hot rods" about the style of the car or the spirit of those who started the hot rod movement? My car won't be just like any car racing on Muroc back in the day, but it will be built in the same spirit -- keep it cheap; make it go fast and look mean.

Page through Don Montgomery's books and you will see some "creative" (ugly) rods at the dry lakes.

I find it ironic that guys today are spending $25k or more to replicate what hot rodders were doing 60-70 years ago because they were cheap.

Yes, I'm building the turtle deck out of a John Deere combine. As far as I'm concerned my build is right in the spirit of the original hot rod movement.

I know this is a religion to some of you that live on HAMB. To me it is like building a go-cart or a mini-bike. It's just a hobby and something to tinker with.

Untame

 

Can we get this fool banned? Please? Building a traditional car these days costs a little more because what was cheap many years ago is no longer cheap. Once you could pick up a running V8 flattie for free, they could not give them away, not go and find a cheap one. A 302 (Yes I got one free) fits on this site like scrap booking fits on a heavy metal web site..... it don't!
One day maybe you will 'get it', understand just what the difference is but I doubt it.

Doc.

Doc.

 

i think were all just getting to f***kn old and grumpy