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How NOT to become a world famous pinstripe artist!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Django, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. Django
    Joined: Nov 15, 2002
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    Here it is. My first attempt. I get impatient and I didn't want to practice much. I used a 00 and I think it was too small. Can I cut the end to make it a little bigger? I had trouble with the brush fanning out too. The brush didn't want to hold it's shape. The paint seemed too thin on the white. It was straight out of the can though. I had my design all planned out on paper, and then on the left side I zigged when I should have zagged. Now why the fuck did I do that?! Doh!

    So have at it. Rip me apart! [​IMG] [​IMG]

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  2. Bigcheese327
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    Wow, that's cool. I love that funky '50s appliance green color!
     
  3. hotrodladycrusr
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    Practice makes perfect. You think you were good your first time in bed??? You WILL get better [​IMG]
     
  4. Elrusto
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    Shit man ! That dont look bad! Helluva lot better than I could do!!!
     
  5. El Caballo
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    Okay.

    First I would suggest getting an old window to practice on instead of parts right away. I have not striped anything in two years so I'd look like a Parkinson's patient, too.

    Practice
    Practice
    Practice

    Don't cut your brush, a 00 is fine to learn with.

    Are you using your other hand to steady your painting hand? A stick? Anything? That would help. When making curves, roll your hand into the curve.

    This is a job for C9, he has the best advice.
     
  6. hehe...
    kool man...well your still the best Calander designer in dah world...

    \m/_

    MAIKI [​IMG]
     
  7. Kevin Lee
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    Paint consistency (thick or thin) will take care of more than half of your problems. Your line consistency will improve ten fold and the brush will track better. How will you know when it's right? Ummmm....practice and experience. Whatever problems you have left over will be solved by what else? More time spent practicing/painting.

    El-C is right on. Don't go nuts trimming at a brush (just get rid of the few strays at the very tip - I'm talking less than a sixteenth of an inch here) and stick with the 00 if you want. I use a 000 for most jobs. Concerning Mack brushes: And I'm probably about to be flogged for this - don't spend so much time worrying about what color thread your brush is wrapped in. The only reason I use the series 10 (blue thread) is that they don't make a 000 in the series 20 (green thread). Yes, better hair and blah blah blah, but I've seen award winning paint come from some of the most effed up brushes around.

    Look close - that's a two color job.
     

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  8. G V Gordon
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    Hey, If it were easy everyone would do it. A couple tips that the folks here have given me lately is use a hard surface pencil (you can get them at art stores) to sketch your design lightly or at least mark a center line if you want the design to be symetrical. Like my art teacher once said. "There is no cheating in art." I found it lets me concentrate more on controling the brush and less on design while I learn. Every one you do will get better, I'm up to pathetic already! [​IMG]
    George
     
  9. Django
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    I was trying to use my pinky to steady myself. How do you use your other hand to steady without dragging across the striping? My fingers kept wanting to hold the brush at the band instead of the handle. I kept catching myself and had to readjust my grip so I could roll the brush in my fingers. Are the bristles supposed to be fairly tight? I'm not sure how to describe this but when I've seen guys striping, the brush itself seemed almost like it was dry, or had almost dry paint in it, giving a more constant shape. Where in my case, the brush would fan out all over the place if I wasn't careful. I have the brush in tranny fluid right now. Should I have not used the brush right "out of the box"?
     
  10. Kevin Lee
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    Lines, grids, it's all fair game. I generally work from a center line only - less to wipe off after the paint dries.
     
  11. Anderson
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    If thats your first time, then it looks pretty good. My first striping attempt looked like CRAP. Of course it was before I got some Mack's, and I was using a cheap testors brush. Eventually, you get better. I've still got years to go and tons of practice. One thing I suggest is maybe laying out some flames, painting them, then stripe the flames, outline them. That will help you (at least it helped me) learn how to hold the brush to follow curves. Don't give up though. I've still got a long way to go, but its COOL nad FUN
     
  12. Curt Six
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    It will definitely help to use some SOMETHING (baby oil, motor oil, pomade, snot, whatever) to shape the brush when it first comes out of the box.

    Another tip is to copy down every single striped line you see into a book or something. I have a notepad here at my desk at work, and every time Grimlok or Toyghoul any of those other guys that actually know what they're doing posts a picture of something they've striped, I copy what they did into my notebook. I've found that just doing this helps get your brain thinking "on the fly" a little bit better...so the next time you draw a centerline and start going to town you sort of have a "feel" for when you should zig or zag.

    My last words of, uh, wisdom are go to Home Depot and blow $25 on a box of floor tiles to practice on. I had a bunch left over after I tiled my bathroom, and the things make great panels to practice on when you're sitting in front of the TV at the end of the day...smooth texture, small size to keep from getting lost in your lines while you're practicing, and when you're done they actually look pretty cool for coasters or whatever. Good luck with it.
    Curt
     
  13. That looks good for your first effort! Striping is hard work, or at least learning to stripe is hard work. New brushes suck. Get yourself a nice piece of painted metal (scrap or a car door or hood or something) and just stripe the hell out of it. The brush will feel and behave alot better once you put a few hours on it. I striped my flames on my truck (a few years back) with a new brush...sucked at first, but by the time I finished it, the brush was feeling much more comfortable. Keep on practicing!!
     
  14. Kevin Lee
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    Sounds like the paint was too thin - but you knew that already. Steadying: Just pick a spot near your work or in your work with no paint, stick a finger there and bridge it over to your hand with another finger or thumb. Dead simple. Might seem awkward at first but it becomes more natural as you paint more. Starting to see a pattern here? [​IMG]

    Tranny fluid is nasty. But whatever you use be sure your brush is completely washed of it before you load it with paint.
     

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  15. I'm guessing you're left handed....
     
  16. I was just gonna say...Grimlock, you're using the wrong hand! [​IMG] Some days it feels like I might be using the wrrong hand.
     
  17. Kevin Lee
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    Sometimes I am. [​IMG] Whatever the situation calls for.
     

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  18. Django
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    I was looking for that thread yesterday. Guess I didn't look hard enough.
     
  19. Kevin Lee
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  20. Kevin Lee
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    Didn't lay out the flames, just giving them a long overdue striping. This was done last year I think?
     

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  21. drgnwgn289
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    Here's another method of bracing with the extra hand, it may not be "right" but it works for me
    Nevermind, I can't get the pic to work, but here's the link to it hand bracing
     
  22. Either hand or with a cell phone?...whatta hot dog! [​IMG]
     
  23. Kevin Lee
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    No no no, that's all WRONG. That's not how you make art. [​IMG]

    Barnett - I thought everyone just striped with both hands while talking on the phone...No? Hey, serious question for you. I'm really trying to step up my lettering skills and I thought your work on the 'Fly was rad. Most interested in the sort of loose scripty stuff on the back. I remember seeing a book years ago that showed a few simlar lettering styles with numbered strokes. NOT SPEEDBALL STUFF. This was for hand lettering with paint. Am I insane and where would I find a copy or something similar?

    The black lettering across the top with the red teardrop bits looked to notch.

    Sorry if this is a hijacking but I think we've covered most everything striping related already?
     
  24. Grimlock...I'll make some copies of some letter styles I have and send 'em to you. Just email me your mailing address and be a little patient...I'm kinda slow about mailing stuff for some reason. You haveta promise me, though, that you will use these letter styles strictly for good and NEVER for evil. [​IMG]
     
  25. Kevin Lee
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    Done. Thanks.
     
  26. Django
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    Boy, I've learned alot in this thread. So if I practice practice practice and want to redo this, can I? I know you guys have mentioned wiping stuff off before. But, this isn't a car finish. It's Benjamin Moore Metal Oil based and believe it or not it is brushed on. I've heard oven cleaner will remove the paint. In my case, won't it also remove the green? I'm going to have to wet sand this off, aren't I?
     
  27. Kevin Lee
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    Oven cleaner maybe but I'll bet you'd have to wet sand it. To be sure you should probably paint a piece of scrap with the same paint then stripe it and see what it takes to get it off without ruining the base. Just think, you'd get some more brush time in!
     
  28. BensonStripes!
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    Barnett,
    Check your PMs.
    Thanks,
    RayB
     
  29. Broman
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    I'd say that's a good virgin run. Ilike that you had a good idea of what you wanted. You did a good job of keeping decent negative space. Your work isn't too crowded. I think you could work on keeping things connected. Von Dutch used to see if he could keep the whole layout connected into one line (kinda).

    Find a piece of glass and just do some free-work over and over (take digi pics after each layout to see your progress - and to show us guys how you are doing). There is a local guy who will draw the whole whole thing out on the car/part with a Stabilo(namebrand) grease pencil befor he ever lays a line. It will not do anything to your paint and it keeps you focused on being steady rather than where you are going with your next line.

    You are on your way.....
     

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