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Projects How not to build a hotrod - My '33 Plymouth

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Johnny Sparkle, Jan 6, 2018.

  1. chiro
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  2. notaford1
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    Not nitpicking but for your reference if you sell the Plymouth shell. It’s a 34 not a 33.
     
  3. Greenblade
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    This was a real fun thread to read through!
    I'll have to check back in a year or two to see the progress :p
     
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  4. Johnny Sparkle
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    Step 1234:

    Quit your job.

    I changed jobs in November. I didn't realize how miserable it made me till I got out. Now I have a 4 10-hour work week and I'm much more motivated.

    Step 1235:

    Buy another bike project! Hahaha! Almost made some progress!

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  5. Johnny Sparkle
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    Just kidding. I've been getting a lot done.

    I had to cut at least 12" off the '34 Buick hood to get it to the right length. I then had to cut the hood hinges off and narrow the whole thing and make new flanges to fit the Plymouth hood hinge. Took a bit of reshaping on the English wheel with an inner tube on the upper and a bunch of time, but I got it.
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    Also welded on the original body line from the Plymouth onto the Buick metal.
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    I still need to do some more metal finishing and figure out hood latches.
     
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  6. The37Kid
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    Welcome back! Hood looks great! Is that sandpaper on the English wheel for traction? Harley 45 frame?
     
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  7. Johnny Sparkle
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    That's a rubber strip cut from an inner tube. It lets the lower wheel curve the sheetmetal without stretching it.

    The frame is a '54-ish panhead.
     
  8. BJR
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    Here is how I did the hood latches for a 2 piece top hood at work. IMG_2101.jpeg IMG_2102.jpeg
     
  9. Johnny Sparkle
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    Oooooohhhh, I like that. I was thinking about a little shot pin, but I never thought to reuse the hinges. Very nice.
     
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  10. NoSurf
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    Lookin good Billie-Ray!
     
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  11. Johnny Sparkle
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    An addendum to the hood pictures. I guess I didn't post a before pic of the '34 Buick hood. That thing was gigantic! 20231111_134532.jpg 20231126_181603.jpg 20231208_194952.jpg
     
  12. Tim
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    Man that sucker was ship sized! One of my favorite builds to watch the last few years
     
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  13. Keep making wrong decisions and updates on this thread.
     
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  14. Johnny Sparkle
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    Step 1352:
    Combine your two least-worst windsheild frames into one. The top portion had to be narrowed 1/4" and the bottom piece was rotted out one one side.
    I did have some original swing hardware, but it was easier to just make it from scratch using a Model A swing arm.

    Don't forget to forget to take a nice picture of the final result!
     

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    Step 1372:

    Curse the rat bastard that decided to make the original Buick grill shell insert out of whatever hellish mystery brass-type material they purchased directly from Satan.

    Seriously. I could not modify the original insert to save my life. Nothing would stick to it. I tried 8 different fluxes, at least. I tried silver solder, acid core solder, stained-glass solder, electric solder, and probably another 5 or 6 solders of different brand and lead content. Even mixing my tears of rage into the flux didn't help.

    If I could heat the cursed material enough to get the solder to even wick in a little bit, the material would just crumble. I don't even want to talk about my attempts at brazing.

    This ended up giving me serious Rodder's Block and I just tinkered with various kinds of alchemy and pleas to various deities for a month before I finally gave up on it.

    Stupid Satan Brass. Should have been easy...

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  16. Johnny Sparkle
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    Step 1390:

    Quit crying and order 12' of 3/8" square stainless. Spend entirely too many hours machining it so it has a neat shape. Watch "Supernatural" the entire time, but lie and say you are watching WW2 documentaries if someone asks.

    I tried to make a setup so I could cut about 18" at a time, but the material likes to bow severely once the corner is cut out. I ended up having to cut only the 6" width of the vise. So, I'd cut with the 1/2" .060 corner radius carbide endmill along the whole length to make an "L" shape, then use a rounding bit along the length, and then flip it another time to run the rounding bit along the other side. Lots and lots of setups.

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  17. Johnny Sparkle
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    Step 1391:

    Do torch things. Also hit the things with hammers. Make sure you use your nice expensive impact socket as a bending tool and turn it all gray from the heat.

    I ended up making each side out of two 3' pieces to make it easier to machine and easier to bend into shape. Once it was all bent I TIG welded it up. I welded some studs to the back of the trim and made angle brackets on the shell to hold it all together.

    I didn't do the cross bars like the original grill insert because I don't hate myself quite that much and I think it looks good with just the perimeter trim pieces. 20240413_131947.jpg 20240413_153823.jpg 20240613_144548.jpg 20240613_175545.jpg 20240613_184022.jpg
     
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    Insert witty platitudes here.

    #oxymorons-R-us
     
  20. Squablow
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    The grille trim fitting is impressive work and looks great.

    I never saw Supernatural, but I've unloaded tons of previously-worthless 4 door Impala parts on its fans. Not sure how that ties into the discussion here, but there you go.
     
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  21. Turns
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    Super impressive and inspirational fabrication - you must be happy with the outcome

    Cheers Turns
     
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    Possibly that brass was actually bronze which if I remember is brass mixed with tin? Metallurgy gurus please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  24. Johnny Sparkle
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    It ties in about as much as my other ramblings, seems like good info to me.

    It didn't look as dark as bronze, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some odd alloy. I thought I had a better pic of it cleaned up, the pics I posted had paint and whatnot on it.

    They were chromed at one point. I sanded that off, but I wondered if that was affecting the wicking of the solder.
     
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  25. Johnny Sparkle
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    Step 1399:

    Cut up an F1 shock mount and a Model A headlight bar. Weld them together. Heat the conglomeration and do bendy things.

    Decide you don't like it and cut out another 3" and do it all again.

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  26. nrgwizard
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    Yah, but did you remember to "measure once, cut thrice"? :D .
    Marcus...
     
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  27. oldsmobum
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    Overdue for a distraction, but I need this as a distraction myself.
     
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    Or the alternative, measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe.
     
  30. nrgwizard
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    Yup, that one works too. &, of course, you can always cut multiple times w/that axe - gas or not. :D .
    Marcus...
     

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