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Hot Rods how was this welded

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tb33anda3rd, Feb 28, 2015.

  1. LOW LID DUDE
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    Thanks threewindaguy for verifying that. Flash weld that's it. Man in those days by hand they overcame tough jobs with crude tools .How cool is that? They built in kick *** cars for us to still enjoy. Now days frigin robots and computers build plastic snap together look alike cars. How sad is that?
     
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  2. The37Kid
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    Would the outside of this weld look the same as the inside, did it come out smooth,or was it ground smooth? Bob
     
  3. threewindaguy
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    It was ground smooth at the factory. No reason to do the interior one.
     
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  4. I tried uploading a video that shows this process a few posts ago

    if it wont show, google " building a motor body " and do a video search, its a copywrited Australian archive video and is very interesting
    this should answer how these seams are made
     
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  5. No mystery, it's Oxy-Acetylene/Torch Welded. No electric Mig "magic" welding in 1925. If you take notice to the video it's not the guy who is doing the welding first day on the job. He's torch welding with no filler rod.

    You could train a monkey to Mig weld if they weren't afraid of the flame.
     
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  6. choptop40
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    Definitely one continuos weld.....looks like slag....kudos to American ingenuity ....great thread....
     
  7. tb33anda3rd
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    "flash weld " like a band saw makes perfect sense. now that it was mentioned the "slag" is exactly like the band saw blades, a straight out even ridge. thanks guys!
     
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  8. 4woody
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    Thanks for that Schwinn article- It is very informative and well written.
    I've been in the bike business my whole life and never knew all that.
    The end of the article was sad, and echos what has happened to so much of domestic manufacturing:

    "These changes were not to be, however. The E/F machinery is gone, and the people who knew how to operate it have ****tered. When the factory was torn down, many of the fixtures were s****ped. The welding equipment was sold, no doubt being used to make some sort of tubular product. A very unique bicycle manufacturing process, one that provided millions of bicycles ridden and still being ridden perhaps billions of fun-filled miles, has slipped into oblivion. Since the process will never be revived, all we can do is look back and preserve the process in our minds, so those wonderful, and still plentiful, bicycles and the visionary engineers who created them retain their rightful place in bicycle history."
     
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  9. Hdonlybob
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    Looks like my work !! Bahahhha....
     
  10. tb33anda3rd
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    saw some more of these welds and thought i would bring this back up.
     
  11. The37Kid
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    Ted, Stole this off another thread, looks like the Ford method of welding the rear quarters to the back section of a 1932 Tudor.........................Does it hurt your eyes to look at the photo? Bob

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  12. tb33anda3rd
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    Bob, good photo.
    funny when i see a weld on tv, i always turn away.........just a reflex.
     
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    Amazing amount of tooling and jigs in photo. All s****ped.
     
  14. theHIGHLANDER
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    They were indeed flash welded by then. That '25 vid is how the earlier process was handled by some. Packard lists this process in the salesman's handbook. If I remember I'll try to post their wording about it.
     
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    Packard also developed the Hypoid rear end gearing to lower the floorboards
     
  16. indyjps
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    **** Splint is correct. Oxy fuel fuel with no filler, the panel gap is tight and the edges fused together, that is a good welder.

    You can do the same with tig, the weld instructor that taught me tig, had us weld without filler on a flat coupon to learn torch control, before moving on to joints.

    http://www.weldguru.com/OFW.html
     
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  17. theHIGHLANDER
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    Not only that, it's how they housed it. Anything look funny here?: IMG_20150415_125526706.jpg
     
  18. The37Kid
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    Highlander, Didn't STUTZ have the same setup or something like it around the same time? Bob
     
  19. Stutz used a worm drive, the subject of a lawsuit between Stutz and Scripps-Booth; S-B showed a concept to Stutz management, Stutz subsequently built a car with the worm drive, S-B sued. The outcome is in one of my packed-away books.
    Cosmo
     
  20. theHIGHLANDER
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    Good call 37. I'm not sure if the later cl***ic Stutz had the hypoid or worm, but here's a pic that a quick google search netted:
    post-60783-143138121601.jpg
     
  21. stimpy
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    funny how you reflex es on safety work when you train for it .. my wife is suprised I do not wear my welding helmet when I watch the covell video's
     
  22. stimpy
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    looks like a upside down mack truck rear end ... them worm drives are tough ..
     
  23. tb33anda3rd
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    bringing it up for the new guys.
     

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