Hurst Slicks Question

Hello:

I have a set of Hurst Cheater Slicks on my project that has been sitting for a while. I noticed that on the inside of each tire, where the slick cap joins the sidewall of the radial, the seam appears to be pulling away in places (on both tires).

Should I be concerned, or is this normal on a recap?

Thanks Guys,
Dave

 

Yes this is a issue...When did you buy them? How long ago? I have heard about this happeneing and I am also worried of this happeneing to mine.

 

Have heard of them blowing apart although being a cheap bugger..
i still gave my brand new ones away no charge with a warning
wasnt worth me losin my 1/4 panels
if you want good ones get the radiars there not recap...

 

Safest thing to do is drill a hole in the side wall and lag bolt them to a wall to look at.

 

How about posting a picture?
If you have a question , welcome to call me at 503-656-1572

Since our purchase of HURST RACING TIRES in 2005 we have not had one documented cap separation where the cap came off the tire.

Thank you
Cody Adams
HURST RACING TIRES

Some of you fellas should take into account my creditability on this board , I have always been here for you and I always will be . WE ARE NOTHING WITHOUT OUR CUSTOMERS AND A GOOD REPUTATION

 

I can definetly say that Hurst will take care of any issue you have asap,they are great to deal with!!!!!!!!!

 

I like mine, no problems yet, unless they were the cause of my burning up a rear axle bearing on saturday, but we know that is not why, thanks for the tires Cody

 

I ran the crap out of mine on my Henry J. NO problems whatsoever!!!! Coololdcars!!!

 

I knew I wasn't alone.........garbage!

 

I will always keep buying Hurst tires! Cody is a class act and makes one hell of a good product! I am building an Anglia gasser project, and will be visiting soon.

 

I love my Hurst cheaters!

 

I beat mine up on two cars, they checked bad (54 stayed outside) and still held up through tons of abuse, drag racing.

 

I shit caned my pair just shit got em from speedyway

 

I have put Hurst Tires on half the cars I have built. No problems.

I have used them on high horsepower cars with no issues. Good traction too... 1962 Nova with a 383 stroker, 1941 Chevy with a 468, 1931 Ford with a 401 nail, and now I have a 62 Falcon in the works with a Blown 410 nailhead and using their slicks out back, and super cushions up front.

 

I've had a pair for about four years, I have two customers using them, and several friends racking up the miles without problems. Hell, I've got to call Cody and order another pair tomorrow! Good stuff!

 

Cody you are a stand up guy
Probs i had with first set you replaced right away
second set never got mounted yet than heard of the
recaps coming apart on one of the guys

I work for the MTO and see all kinds of recaps on the side of hiway
enough to make my mind up..
as a show piece they are real cool

 

Thanks for the input,

Definately not bad mouthing, just wanted to know if this was normal before I called Cody-

I'm going to give him a shout to see what I need to do-

 

And have been down the track at MOKAN for the last two years as well. I will be ordering a set of taller ones for the '51 when I am ready.

 

I just noticed Speedway discontinued these. What gives?
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/HURST-RACING-CHEATER-SLICKS,6835.html

 

Just read the post - I've never owned any. Here is the bottom line: They are RECAPS. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize Recaps are never as good as a new "all made at one time" tire. They look great, but cost way too much.​

 

Do you have any idea how many millions of recapped commercial tires are on the road? The rubber you see laying on the hiway is .000001% of all those made. Most of those come apart after hours on the road, on a dual wheel with little or no air in them. Truckers have a bad habit of "running to the next stop", "not my trailer", etc. Are you likely to treat your tires the same way? I don't see you pulling out of the drive way with even one tire low, much less empty.

Use statistics to make decisions, notunfounded opinion. Cody made a statistical statement. No documented cap separation since 2005 WHEN HE TOOK ON THE BUSINESS. That makes Cody's record 0 for how many?

Hmmmm

 

More food for thought....


The history of tire retreading is almost as old as the history of tires. Today, the main sectors for tire retreading are aircraft, military vehicles, school buses, off-the-road heavy duty vehicles, postal service vehicles, taxi fleets, industrial vehicles, fire trucks, ambulances, racing cars, etc. Retreading technology is well established.
On October 29, 1993, President Clinton signed Executive Order 12873 entitled 'Federal Acquisition, Recycling and Waste Prevention', which mandates the use of retreaded tires on all government vehicles.
Retread tires provide safe and dependable performance at a lower price compared to new tires.
Despite the fact that retread tires have been tested and proven dependable, the majority of individual car owners do not want to buy retreaded tires for their vehicles for a variety of reasons. The entire market for retreaded tires has decreased by more than 55 % over the last 8 years. In 1990, over 33.5 million tires were sold as retreaded tires, whereas only 16 million tires were sold in 1998. Even though the executive order mentioned above mandates retreaded tires for all government vehicles, this is a small share of the market compared to the large market for passenger tires, which occupied 81.5 % of the new tire market in 1998.
Note: Retreading is not counted as tire recycling in some reports on waste tire (solid waste) management. However, the extension of the product lifecycle has contributed to a decrease in various waste materials and disposal problems.
[SIZE=+1]Manufacturing Process of Retreading:[/SIZE]

Inspection: Each agency has established their own safety specifications. For example, the regulation standards for aircraft and school bus tires are different. Generally, the worn casing, cuts, punctures and overall damage are assessed before the tire is processed for retreading.
Repair: Nail holes, crown damage, and side wall can be repaired routinely.
Buffing: Buffing removes the unwanted or worn old tread. The technique depends on the design of the tire. The steel belt underneath the tread must not be exposed. Current tires have a 'base' compound layer between the tread and the belt. Improper buffing will cause tread separation during future use.
Recuring: New tread compounds (unvulcanized rubber compounds) are molded around the buffed tire and recured. This process is also dependent on the tire design. Tire manufacturers sell the rubber compounds for retreading in order to provide compatible materials.
Since the process requires high temperature, over-curing may cause damage to the casing. Needless to say, undercuring may cause tread separation.
Final Inspection: The retreaded tire is tested and inspected.
​

[SIZE=+1]Facts:[/SIZE]
As mentioned previously, the main markets for retreaded tires are aircraft, military vehicles, school buses, off-the-road heavy duty vehicles, postal service vehicles, taxi fleets, industrial vehicles, fire trucks, ambulances, racing cars, etc.
Nearly 100 percent of the world's airlines use retreaded tires. Nearly 100 percent of off-the-road, heavy duty vehicles use retreaded tires.
In 1998, 27 million truck/bus tires were purchased for replacement by fleets, 16 million were retreaded and 11 million were new tires. For most fleets, tires represent the third largest item in their operating budget, after labor and fuel cost. The cost of retreaded tires is generally from 30 to 50 % lower than the cost of a new tire.
These statistics indicate that the retreaded tires for these applications are cost effective.

The tire production process consumes a large amount of energy typically equivalent to 22 gallons of oil for the manufacture of one new truck tire. Most of this energy is contained in the casing, which can be reused in a retreaded tire. As a result, it takes the equivalent of only 7 gallons of oil to produce a retreaded tire.
Retreaded tires will provide almost the same longevity as new tires and almost the same fuel efficiency to the vehicle as new tires. Depending on the design and original quality, a tire could get an average of three to four retreadings per casing.
[SIZE=+1]Myths:[/SIZE]
Some myths and negative images of recycled products are often a major barrier. Some of these considerations pertaining to retreaded tires are discussed below.
1: Retreaded tires are less safe than new tires.
Fact: Statistics compiled by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that nearly all tires involved in any tire-related accidents were under-inflated or bald. Properly-maintained tires, both new and retreaded, do not cause accidents. Retreaded tires have been safely used on school buses, trucks, cars, fire engines, and other emergency vehicles for years.
2: Retreaded tires have a higher failure rate than new tires.
Fact: Failure on the road occurs with both new tires and retreaded tires, primarily from truck tires that are overloaded, under-inflated, or otherwise abused, as opposed to poor retreaded product quality. New or retreaded tire failures can be greatly reduced by following good maintenance, including proper mating with regard to diameter and tread depth and design, as well as maintenance of proper air pressure.
[SIZE=+1](Real) Problems:[/SIZE]
Because of the rapidly decreasing market for passenger tire retreading, the total retreaded tire market has shrunk by more than 55 % in the last 8 years. Some 'real' problems must be considered as part of the reason for the rapid decrease in passenger tire retreading.

In the passenger replacement market, retreaded tires do not provide a sufficient economic advantage compared to the cost of new tires. And nearly 100 % of passenger tires consist of radial tires.

See Anatomy of Tire for the detail of tire structure​

Light weight tires contribute to improved fuel efficiency and high speed stability. Newly developed high strength compounds have made this possible. Manufacturers have decreased side wall and tread thickness in order to reduce weight. This has a negative impact for retreading, since the tire will require a more technically accurate procedure, and an additional cost to the retreader.
Competition in the passenger replacement market is very tight. Manufacturers have realized that there is little demand for passenger tire retreading, and have designed one-time-use casings. This design can eliminate unnecessary antioxidants, adhesives, etc. Truck/bus tires can be retreaded 4 to 5 times because they are designed and priced for that purpose.

[SIZE=+1]Solutions:[/SIZE]
Retreading is a well-established and proven technology but is not the ultimate solution for waste tire management.
A key to success is how to develop retreading as a viable option for the passenger tire replacement market. One necessary effort is to eliminate the barriers and negative images regarding retreading of used tires. Secondly, changes in the manufacturing and design of new tires are necessary to facilitate reusability. This would require legislative initiative.

[SIZE=+2]Web Sites for Further information:[/SIZE]

• The Tire Retread Information Bureau
• Retread.com

[SIZE=+2]References[/SIZE]

1. The Early Years of Tire Retreading, International Tire and Rubber Association
2. Michelle L. Willman..The retread advantage. (Fleet Maintenance Special Report). Beverage Industry, July 1993 v84 n7 p53(2)
3. Retreads save fleets money, outlast new tires, American City & County, May 1995 v110 n6 p28(1)
4. Retread Facts Retread.Com
5. 1996 BUY-RECYCLED SERIES:VEHICULAR PRODUCTS, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, June 1996
6. U.S.Environmental Protection Agency et al, Scrap tire Technology and Markets Noyes Data Corporation, NJ 1993

Google strikes again.....

 

Facts and statistics? Wha? This is THE INTERNET! No place for facts.

 

According to the USEPA, it is a myth that retreaded tires have a higher failure rate than new tires. "Rubber on the road comes from both new tires and retreaded tires, primarily from truck tires that are overloaded, underinflated, or otherwise abused. New or retreaded tire failures can be greatly reduced by following all the rules of good maintenance, including proper mating with regard to diameter and tread depth and design, and maintaining proper air pressure." Properly maintained tires, both new and retreaded do not cause accidents.[19

Google "failure rate of retread tires" and see how many statistics you find saying they fail more often. I haven't found one yet.

 

Wouldn't Drag racing be considered abuse


2: Retreaded tires have a higher failure rate than new tires.
Fact: Failure on the road occurs with both new tires and retreaded tires, primarily from truck tires that are overloaded, under-inflated, or otherwise abused, as opposed to poor retreaded product quality. New or retreaded tire failures can be greatly reduced by following good maintenance, including proper mating with regard to diameter and tread depth and design, as well as maintenance of proper air pressure.

 

Have had mine for 3 years no problems, have run them in pouring rain for hours no surprises. Carlg

 

I have used Hurst slicks forever! I have beat on them relentlessly and never had a problem!
Jimmuy White

 

I'm getting the popcorn ready, looks to be a long day.

 

As noted, recaps have been around for a very long time.
The recent market share has dropped considerably likely in part due to the really cheap Chinese crap that your local friendly tire dealer sells at a very high margin. Like all things, as the (overall pass car) market withers the re-cap price will go up and some folks will actually think that the 'new' Chinese crap is a good deal.


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I have a set of Codys recaps, and i am very pleased with them!

Ill be buying again!