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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Budget36, Mar 26, 2023.

  1. Budget36
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    The local trans shop told me “expect a full rebuild”. I do realize that taking it apart and putting it back together with the same or new parts, the labor is the same.
    I’m not looking for a “deal”, but don’t want to be charged for parts that were not used. Feel me?
    I don’t have the time to try it myself. It would take me 3 months to actually make headway on it. I’d rather just take it somewhere with an hour or so from me, pick it up, and have a good feeling it’s all good.
    I didn’t notice any issues with it, but as I get older, rather have it done as an insurance policy so to speak.

    Thanks.
     
  2. I don’t understand,,,, no issues with it,,,,,,why tear it apart ?
    Be cautious,,,,whoever tears into it,,,might just tear it up .

    But,,,I’m sure there are excellent guys out in California that can make it like new .
    Good luck Mike .

    Tommy
     
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  3. Budget36
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    Hey Tommy.
    It was missing the reverse lockout, trans was put in the car, not as factory. I’m putting the transmission in my daughters car but just like anything as we get a few years on us and I don’t think I’ll be up to pulling it out in the future, I just want to make sure she doesn’t have to pony up when I’m not able to help.
    Like I mentioned, it’s insurance for me:)
     
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  4. gimpyshotrods
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    My T56 has neither the skip-shift solenoid, nor the reverse lockout.

    I replaced both with drain plugs.
     
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  5. Budget36
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    This one is just a hole. Seems it was taken out, and driven.

    dang, I think I have two threads going on this. Maybe @Moriarity can clean them up?
     
  6. gimpyshotrods
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    I believe only the GM/Camaro/Firebird T56 had the skip-shift solenoid.

    The skip shift solenoid is by the access plate in the middle of the transmission, with the detent mechanism on the opposite side:
    upload_2023-3-26_21-16-55.png
    The threads are Metric straight thread.

    There are kits to delete both, if you have both: https://proshop.summitracing.com/parts/SKM-TDK-T56

    Additionally, the if using a short stick, short throw shifter, shifting can be difficult.

    If that proves to be the case, on the opposite side of the transmission from the reverse lockout, there is what looks like a big bolt. That is the shifter detent.

    I put two copper sealing washers on mine, and put it back in. Now it shifts with ease.
    upload_2023-3-26_21-24-34.png
     
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  8. Budget36
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    I’ve got to look under it again. I believe it was the one to the rear. When I get under there I’ll get a better idea know.
    Who ever had the car pulled an automatic and put the t56 in, I bought it just for the transmission, pedals, etc for converting her car. When I was under it, towards the rear of the trans, I recalled a hole that should have had something in it.
    In my mind I’ve been thinking what has gotten into that hole and into the insides. That’s why I want it taken apart and gone over.
     
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  9. Kerrynzl
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    @Budget36

    The reverse lockout is external on the shifter housing .
    you do not need to pull the transmission apart at all.

    You need this ***embly
    upload_2023-3-27_21-12-39.png

    It goes here
    upload_2023-3-27_21-13-59.png

    Like this
    upload_2023-3-27_21-14-44.png

    You absolutely need to have one to prevent "Money Shifting" into reverse when shifting from 4th to 5th
    They have heavy spring and a lightweight spring internal [the electric solenoid disables the heavy spring]
    upload_2023-3-27_21-20-44.png

    Without the solenoid hooked up it ,you can override the heavy spring and still can select reverse but it is difficult.
    Most vehicles have a speed sensor to disable the solenoid.

    If you don't have a speed sensor you can use an RPM switch, or a shifter ****on
    OR two pedal switches in-series [clutch and brake pedal]
    Reverse is the only gear where you can use both the clutch and brake pedals together [if your car can idle]

    On my race car I removed the heavy spring and machined up a solid tube spacer. So it is impossible to select reverse without the solenoid activated
    upload_2023-3-27_21-28-48.png

    I have a ****on on the L/H side of the column to activate the lockout solenoid
    upload_2023-3-27_21-30-44.png
     
  10. Budget36
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    Reviving this thread. I’ve decided to run it as is, let the chips fall if they do.
    It is the reverse lockout that is missing.
    @Kerrynzl I ***ume I could wire in series from the brake light switch to the clutch neutral start switch to the lockout. I’m going to be using the donor cars pedals etc ***y.
    The short block goes into the shop next Friday, and will be pulling the T56 out and getting it ready for the transplant.
     
  11. Kerrynzl
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    Yes, you take 12v off the stoplight circuit [after the switch] and connect it "in-series" to a clutch pedal switch [in your case......a starter safety switch]
    This does not protect you from "money shifting" down from 6th to 5th into corners [only because corner entry downshifting requires both brakes and clutch pedal to be used]
    But downshifting from 6th to 5th is a straight forward movement AND in most cases a p***ing manouvre which doesn't require the use of the brake pedal
    It mainly prevents shifting into reverse on aggressive upshifts [cross-shifts like 2-3 and 4-5]

    Note: if you are corner entry downshifting from 6th to 5th with a 3.55:1 rear end and 26" tyres you would need to be travelling at 130 mph+ which is a highly unlikely scenario on the road

    If you're buying a reverse lockout solenoid from a junkyard try and get the pigtail to go with it.

    You can buy these reverse lockout modules for conversions [$100]
    https://www.wirebarn.com/T56--TR6060-Reverse-Lockout-Control-Module_p_470.html
     
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    Man, now the questions I have will go way OT;).
    I have to send a message to a guy and will let me know if I can use those modules or not. Based on what he tells me I’ll PM you guys about the links you posted.
    Thanks
     
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  14. gimpyshotrods
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    I mentioned it because even the OEM's recognized the problem of accidentally shifting into reverse, when moving forward.

    It can get very expensive, and it's still possible with a brake light switch.

    For the general public, I like to make it p***ively near impossible.
     
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  15. Kerrynzl
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    Mike
    This might be a bit late to chime in again,

    But for the sake of simplicity have you thought about this.....
    https://www.holley.com/products/dri...s/handles_and_knobs/shifter_knobs/parts/46112

    upload_2023-5-4_16-24-6.png

    Or this for a T56
    https://www.twistedshifterz.com/products/white-f-in-fast-6-speed-side-****on-shift-knob

    upload_2023-5-4_16-27-3.png
     
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  16. Budget36
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    Love 6th. !!! But right now trying to get a shop/find a shop that will do what I want, not what they think I need-all for a simple shortblock.
    Will probably be the last engine I have done, and I want it my way. Not what they think is needed:)
    So the T56 is out, waiting for the fella to bring a trailer and get what’s left.
    Kerry, I’ll have to look at the link later.
    Thanks.
     
  17. Budget36
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    Okay! Now I get it, use the ****on to release the solenoid lockout.
     

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