P&B, yep alot of cars got peddled and driven without a change of title .... these damn computers ruined it for everyone! LOL I once sold a car that I bought while it was stuck behind abunch of stuff in a guys garage ... come to find out it wasnt even in the guys name who sold it to me! four different signatures involved.
Ah shut up you old Fart! (said in the most loving way my friend) hate when that happens NO- Only the 6 cylinder cars had 4 lug, and that continued on for years after the introduction.
There are plenty of other websites out there, plenty, if you don't like the focus of this one you are more than welcome to try them. Hell you can even start your own. But there are a whole lot of us that are very happy with the focus of the HAMB.
Never said I didn't like the focus of this forum. In fact, I do so much that I haven't logged in to any of the "other" forums in MONTHS! This IS my type of stuff, and these are the types of cars that most interest me. I might have mentioned a few times the '53 Chev I'm working on? My point was that I couldn't understand the cut and dried '64 cutoff, when there are lots of cars out there made after '64 (like my OT Galaxie) that are customized to the point of deserving respect, and shouldn't be shunned for having been born a few years too late. Again, not looking for a battle, I LIKE it here, and as stated in my previous post, I have tremendous respect for anyone who turns a wrench in an effort to make ANY car more "theirs". I'm a 40s/50s sled kinda guy through and through, and my brain often reels to the point of hurting when I see an old carcass sitting untouched, thinking about all the cool things I could do to it with a torch and 210V, imagining it being drooled over at every stop light, hearing the type of exhaust I woulod put on it in my mind... HERE I get to watch others do what I can only do in my mind, and if I have something to say or a question to ask, I know that what I have to say is falling on the most knowledgeable ears. If somebody rolls up in a '67 Chevelle SS in a forum, and wants to chat about his restoration, yeah, balk them off. THAT is not what this site is about. Agreed. But in the case of a (will use mine as an example) '66 Galaxie with the interior and dash from a '64 Galaxie, an amazing junkyard-built drivetrain that makes most seasoned rodders with thousands into their engines green with envy, and plenty of experience with the trial-and-error method of finding out what will work and what won't, well, I consider that to be a hot rod/custom, and I for one would not be the one to call out the poster on his OT ride. I'd be more interested in learning WHAT he did, HOW he did it, and WHY. Isn't that kind of ingenuity what makes a hot rodder a hot rodder in the first place, more so than whether his palette of choice was originally made before a certain year?
Wow, that right there is alot of verbage! Seems to me the discussions here can sometimes be "all over the board" as far as OT discussions and they usually some how are presented in a way that relates to traditional rodding and rods .... examples "What were the traditional rodders doing in the 70s?" and more recently the photos of the work of Carroll Shelby (RIP) .... ... its all about presentation and the moderators descresion ....I, along with probbly most folks here are ok with that, whats the problem?
Factory Muscle cars where built way before 1964. Mother Mopar started building "muscle cars" in April 1962 with the introduction of the first Maximum Performance Wedge (nicknamed Max Wedge) in their new, light, mid-sized Dodge and Plymouth. Can someone tell me how in the he!! the GTO is the so called first "muscle car"?
I don't think there is another forum that my one family sponge-pedal 318 mopar really fits into. It's painful to think that it would not be welcome here because it resembles a muscle car, or was manufactured after 64. The fact of the matter has already been stated there are cars after the cut off that are more suitable for this forum than quite a few that meet the criterea by virtue of age, but have nothing in common with the intentions of this forum. e.g. Rat rods and Resto Rods.
i'll jump in here, first off there is no such thing as a dumb question, just dumb answers.. (quoting my father) bellflower exhaust tip became the all the rage way back when we used to cruise bellflower blvd. in the late 60's early 70's its a city just outside of L.A. california, (see photo) i've also heard them called Montebello pipes and even Whittier tips but that all depended on where you cruzed! we also tried to call the "Van Nuys tips" but it didn't stick. 1964 was the first year for the GTO and other muscle cars as well as the pony cars.. to this day we still call them late models..
I've said this for YEARS! Thank you, thank you, thank you... If your Mustang's serial number begins with a 5, it's a 1965. So says the Ford Motor Company. Running changes are made on every car.
Just when I think I know it all I learn something else! I always thought bellflower tips were those tips that looked like they were flaired! But, being from the midwest there were lots of fads we were way behind on. We didn't have cars that shot flames, or cars that were drastically lowered for a long time. Now if I could only remember what a lowering block was used for things would okay! By the way, the references to the 1964 1/2 Mustang....I had the first 1965 Mustang fastback in our little Illinois town. Black with red interior, ralleypac, and all those goodies! A growing family caused it to be traded for a 1972 Gran Torino wagon. Yes a wagon! I still believe if it ain't 1948 and older it's just a car. My wagon is just a car!
I agree with that. As a kid we went to probably 2 car shows a month and my dad taught me some things about cars. He taught me how to tell the difference between Model A’s, 32, 33, 34 Fords, the difference between coupes, sedans, why a 32 coupe was called a deuce, why a lead sled was so named. He taught me about pre war cars, why no cars were built between 43 and 45 then about the post war cars. That cars before 1948 could be hot rods but not after 48. If they had bubble fenders then they were (usually pre 48) if they looked like a shoe box they were usually post 48 to early 60’s and these cars were stock, or customs. His customs tag could be hung on many cars like lead sleds, modified stock cars, lowered trucks, ect. He taught me the first muscle car was built by Mopar in the early 60's with big block and long cross ram, NOT the 64 GTO from GM. He taught me that Mopar was king at the drag strip because of the HEMI and was king of NASCAR until it was outlawed. He said that NASCAR was so deep in GM & Ford pockets and that’s why they outlawed the HEMI. I have never had anyone explain it different to me. He taught me the difference between a Street Rod, Hot Rod and a Jalopy. In a nut shell Street Rods were finished cars (by finished I mean painted with full interior) that were basically a modern driving handling car with a pre 1948 body and usually cost a bundle of cash to build. A Hot Rod was a finished car but made with what you had to build it with, a nice car that didn’t cost a ton of cash to build, oh and 95% of the time DIDN’T have fenders. The Jalopy was basically an unfinished Hot Rod in primer, maybe missing some of the interior, a work in progress if you will. He taught me their are two types of car people; people that built their cars and people that had someone build their cars. Many Street Rodders had their cars built and hot rodders usually built cars.
I agree that even though I like some newer stuff, that doesn't mean It's traditional. A few year back I saw a s10 with scallops and pinstripes an Astros and pinners. Should I post that on here since its styled like a bellflower car? Hell no is the answer and a late 60 car is no different. You wouldn't demand civil war re enactors let you use a glock 9mm because they are easier to find and more plentiful would you?
I had a '65 Galaxie same roof as a 64.5 Galaxie even if the body was different. Drug it out of a junk yard in '03 did the top end in my driveway. best old Earl Schieb job I have even seen. Original interior in fair shape. It was my daily until I got the Pusher sorted out. I never posed it on here not even when I sold it to a fellow HAMBer. There is a reason why, even though it was a neat old beater, and it was certainly put together in the spirit of the HAMB if not to the letter. It was not HAMB friendly. There are certainly things that squeak by and actually get embraced by some of the members. But there are a lot of us that feel it is important to try and keep the focus within certain guidlines. There are a lot of people that think that the HAMB is about old cars, it is not about old cars at all. So what if Joe Blitzflitz finds a '49 Chrysler 4 door and gets it running and drives it around to the local cruise. Until he does something with it it is just an old car. That would be the same if he found a '49 Merc 2 door, as long as it is a stock '49 merc 2 door as cool as that sounds it is just another old car. Someone is no doubt at least thinking that I am a hater (whatever the hell that is?) for saying that but it is the truth. Our focus is Traditional Rods and Customs, we have a '64 cut off date as unfair as that may sound. Some of the cars that we embrace don't hit the mark 100% percent but one must give a wink and a knod at the very least to be welcomed here. Now I said none of this to be mean I am just stating the truth, the good news if you will that we preach to hoodlums around the world. Just to stir the pot, you are correct there is no titling designation for a mid year model change. never the less the friend that I spoke of earlier has a '64.5 mustang that he purchased from the original owner and it is titled as a '64 mustang. Now this is where things get fuzzy, there are some quirks from state to state. For instance, my mom bought a '65 buick from a dealer in california. She purchased it in '66 and got it cheap because for all intents and pusposes it was a '65 Buick. Anyone who looked at it that knew the difference could tell that it was a '65 Buick. California titled it as a '66 Buick, it was explained to me that at the time California titled a car originally the year that it was purchased. There were actually a lot of states that did that a long time ago.
I know someplace along the line ANYTHING in primer (aka Michigan Suede by my dad) became a R@t R0D to the masses. IMHO the Jalopy is a "work in progress" and a R - rod is someone trying to make it look r@tty
I LOVE threads like this. One's where a topic is DISCUSSED, different opinions are aired, and when it's all said and done, we agree to disagree but respect each other. I can't stand when a thread get heated and turns to insults and the focus is lost amongst the various wit battles, and nothing gets accomplished. OP, thanks for starting this one. Its been a good read! I, too, disagree with the cutoff year, but I will abide by it and not post anything about my little OT Kavorkian suicide rod. If anyone else has an interest in OT "hot rods", perhaps we could ask Ryan about setting aside a little spot of bandwidth for us so that we could discuss things without stepping on any toes? I know there's a turbo "club" here on the H.A.M.B... Perhaps a '65-'7(2?) hot rod pocket of the H.A.M.B.? That way, the only way anyone would be offended would be through fault of their own for joining and logging in. I've got a ton of questions (mostly carb type stuff) that I would love to ask some of the "been there, done that" guys on this forum, but not if it's going to get anyone riled up. This isn't my house, I'm just a guest. If you would like me to take off my shoes in the foyer, I will. Even though I don't in my own home.
Ragtop a carb question is a carb question. carbs are what we use. The engine in your '66 is probably one that was used for a lot of years. You don't have to state what year your car is just give information reguarding your question. You don't have to be anyone important to start a social group, there may even be a late model social group already if you look. But if you would like to start a social group for cars in your year range it is pretty simple to run it by Ryan if you are nervous about it. The worse that can happen is he'll say no and if he doesn't you are golden start your group and be happy. Hell I have a group that is just for spanish speaking HAMBers, that is about as off the wall as you can get.
LOL, muchas gracias, Porknbeaner. Hablo un poco español, pero sólo lo suficiente para que mi culo pateado en un bar al sur de la frontera. The "carb" questions I have are all associated with my engine of choice (OT), intake of choice, and the fact that I'm running a BFT (Big Fuckin' Turbo), and eventually it would all come around to the OT car it's in. I tried to ask a question about the turbo/carb setup but my thread was deleted within an hour. I was REALLY hoping to get a little knowledge from some of these crazy-ass old school drag racers, but as soon as it came out what I was building... check please! BTW, Porknbeaner, I wanted to thank you personally for your thoughtful posts throughout most of these threads on the H.A.M.B. Nobody likes a smartass, and nobody likes a straight up prick, but when you add genuine knowledge with a smirky smartass comment or even a "you dumbass" at the end, well, THAT my friend is what the H.A.M.B. is about to me, and I always enjoy reading your replies. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods, voy a comprar la primera ronda de cervezas amigo! (y probablemente el segundo...)
Cool.. so I got this real classic.. a 78 Honda... lol! Here's my thougt. There were gys building cars back in the day who had either money or access to the latest go faster parts. If a fuel injected Polara or Fairlane was available in 1964 don't you think it would have been used by one of these guys? I always thought the core of the traditional rod was using what you could lay your hands on to make the jalopy better Now I have read about rides on here that have 700r4s and later model engines and diffs etc. It's generally not boasted about, but rather admitted to. Just seems funny to me. That said, if I ever build an oep hooded car It will certainly have a vintage (looking) engine like a 235 or Flathead. just an observation
Por aca estoy a tu casa. Ven con todo gusto. I think that there is a social group dedicated to turbos. Turbo charging although probably not common place on the streets has been around for a long time. I know that it was being used on the dragstrip way back when. Let me ask you this, her is a picture of a small journal SBC, can you tell me what it is in? Now if you posted a pic of your engine setup to satisfy someone's curiousity couldn't you tell them any car in existance? ElPolacko has a pair of turbos in his Ford Unibody by the way. Gromit, Your logic is good, perhaps it is a little flawed, but it is good logic. Everyone always wants to say that the core of hot rodding has always been to use what you could lay your hands on. Actually that is correct to a point, but ideally you tried to lay your hands on something desirable. The other flaw in your logic is that what the fellas could lay their hands on back then are what we call traditional parts now. Sure you could scab a car together your car together with the drive train out of a relative's wrecked '05 Silverado and it in every sense of the word could count as a hot rod. To be a traditional rod or even be a traditional looking rod at the very least what shows should be a traditional looking part. Ideally you want to use as many traditional parts on the car as possible if not all traditional parts. At the very least I would think that something as important as your engine would be something that could have been obtained back then or a very close relative. For instance there isn't much difference in a 289 and a 302 or a '63 390 and a '70 390 if you catch my drift.
When it comes to that happening, there is a better chance that Kat Von D will move to Mississippi and raise my babies.
Who cares, the cut off here is the way it is, who cares about muscle cars, if you do there are plenty of sites for them. There are plenty if Mopar only sites... back to what the HAMB is about....
We shouldn't even be talking about muscle cars here???? Traditional hot rods and customs is what the HAMB is about, that's why i joined.
64.5 Mustangs had some real differences, including some with 260 engines and some minor body panel differences. I own a 63.5 Falcon and it has some unique parts as well. My "late" 51 Mercury has differences from "early" 51s, too. The model year is one thing, but early/late matters when you're ordering parts. For the 'Stang guys it matters if they got the earliest ones in late '64.
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