Technical ID this Injector/Hat.

I have been looking for a small injector hat for my blown sixes. I have considered attempting to convert my Cal Custom scoop to a functioning unit. So while looking through a group of pics of set ups lstnight I found this one on a 202 ci on inter web.
I would have said it was an Enderlee like the one I just sold but it’s tiny in comparison. Anybody got an idea ? It’s way smaller than the smallest hats I’ve seen Hilborn /Enderlee are otherwise. I would really love to convert my sixes and ditch the carbs.
Thanks for any ideas.

 

Do you mean a Cal Custom scoop similar to this ?
I’ve been doing the same thing,,,lol .

Tommy

 

First post pic ,Looks to be Enderle bug with ribs , more likely so!!
Late 60s to present , or you can get with out ribs

 

I agree with @19Eddy30 , that looks like an early Enderle bug catcher. The very early ones had the three fins and a raised rib around the front, first that rib went away and later the fins. The photos are grainy but it appears the front two bolts that hold the hat to the blower are there, also indicative of the Enderle bug, with the earliest ones nicknamed the shower head because of the fuel nozzles on the drivers side of the hat. Later Enderle's, the bird and lastly the buzzard had larger throttle plates set forward with the two front bolts being inside the hat.

 

Yep, early bug, I bought this one around 1975 from a local river rat, it had never been machined, was just the casting.

 

This is my Cal Custom scoop. It’s perfect proportionally for the blowers I run and the ci I run. The big hilborn and enderle that I had are just to big. In every way. I am only running 255 inches. And the updated version under construction will be 260 max.

 

I would love to convert this one to be functional. I have talked to 402Bossman here and it would be pretty difficult considering how thin that casting is. .

 

Desoto 291 did you convert yours to functioning or are you in the same boat with me?

 

Kind of in the process,,,,I started several years ago but came down with a life threatening illness and have never gotten back to it .
I will start back on it sometime .
Here are a few pics ,,,not much really,,,,pre stage I guess,,,still in the conjuring stage,,,lol .

I was going to call it Cyclops,,,or Gort (from the day the earth stood still ),,,,lol .

Tommy

 

402 Bossman and I discussed the throttle blades and shafts etc. It is doable but not easily.

 

Anyone happen to know of a part number or a description that I can use ( name etc ) that I could use to ask a half way correct/intelligent question with any of the hat venders /etc that are out there ?
I have owned a bird catcher /and a hilborn hat I’ve never seen one that small.

 

Just Enderle Bug with or with out Rib
& block Val for Gas , Alky , or Nitro ,
(K)

 

Thanks for that info 19Eddy30. That’s on a 202 CI Holden. That’s still impressive /or boarder line insane to me. That’s a tremendous amount of air flow for a 202.

 

Has anyone mentioned the name Alkydigger to you ?
He has a line on almost everything Injection wise .
He’s in Nashville,,,ships everywhere,,,,and is easy to talk to .
You might find what you need with him .

Tommy

 

I use him frequently actually. And for what ever reason the injections hats he has /advertises always look huge. I didn’t think he carried anything that small.

 

He probably doesn’t,,,,but he might be able to lead you in the right direction .
He used to have a lot of used stock on hand,,,,,he might know of ,,,or heard of ,,what you need .
Mike is pretty darn sharp on the injection deal,,,,give him a shout again,,,,you never know .

Tommy

 

Good looking piece Mark !
That’s an early Bug,,,,,going by the tape measure .

Tommy

 

That looks almost just like what he had some pics of,,,might be the right one for him ?

Tommy

 

Oops,, sorry,,,,I just went back and looked and he had a scoop to convert in the pics ,,,post #6 .
Not an actual hat in those pics.

Tommy

 

Enderle "Shower head".

 

post #6 looks to be a Hillborn with mods to set on a Carb ...Time was spent on Butterfly's.....May be some one did
One off modifying the Original cast....
( working at Hillborn)
Also there are/ where many cast there own parts to fit there needs ,,,

I do not know about a Shower Head Bug ,,, all None Shower Head Bugs are same Size to present ,,, You all do know Enderle brought back the Nostalgia Ribbed Bug ,
With work/machining & thought the Cal Custom scoop can be made into MFI, It would not be hard ,, also depends on type/ style Butterfly's,
If not doing the work I would say
$1500 plus

 

Moriarity I had two of the hilborns. One Enderle. I am very familiar /running and set up on both the stack and hats. Everything we have other than the 57 is hilborn stack at this time.
But none the less you’re not gonna hurt my feelings /with anything said/or suggestions /etc. Pretty much why I reached out. As suggested. Kinda hopping someone is sitting on a little one. Don’t care who made it. Just needs to be small. I would have traded my entire big Enderlee ( bird catcher) for one.
I just don’t think any of my sixes /blown or other wise can use a big hat. I’d love to be able to convert my cal scoop. It just looks right /as compared to blower and the engine.
402 Bossman has kinda guided me what it takes to convert it. Can I do it - Probobly. I’ve done a lot of one off but a blower hat is not the place to guess at.keeping the throttle shaft /butterfly’s in spec is not easy. Have had a throttle stick before and yes it was my fault.
Keep the thoughts and ideas coming. Again I will take all the help I can get.

 

19Eddy30. I just read your post. If that’s all id do that tomorrow if you know of someone that could convert to butterfly /shafts etc.
The machining of the throttle body/butterfly’s is what I question my machining capabilities on. All of my machines are way more capable than the owner operator. I do dearly love my little cal custom scoop. The throttle openings ( holes are 1.92). And there is an inch plus of room that if it could be fabricated it could be inserted sealed etc and the front face plate bolted back on.
It will come out with 4 screws. I can tig the bottom body on and machine to fit the smaller blowers. Am using 144/and 177 style.

 

The 202 engine was the standard 1970's/1980's go-fast motor for Holden fans. The came out from the factory at 200 ponies at the crank... with (a lot of) fiddling, 400 HP at the rear treads is not unreasonable:
Wild billet block Holden 202 (streetmachine.com.au)

Cheers,
Harv

 

The simplified answer is an Enderle bug catcher has the front to mounting bolts in front of the butterflys. The bird catcher has the same 2 bolts behind the butterflys. There are generally 2 barrel valve combos. The square unit for gas or alky. The unit shaped like a partial y is generally used for nitro or real high flow alky. The early bugs have nozzels in the hat, later versions are in the mounting base.

 

On the Bug & other sizes you can make a cup & install on inside behind Butterfly to cut down / lesson CFMs
& still be functional,,,
The only person that I knew of that would & in joyed making custom casting's has pasted ..
Joe Blow in Aus can & will make custom parts , 12-15 hrs ahead on U.S. time ,
In my thoughts & Out side box thinking
I have many ways to Modify / make MFI with Your Cal scoop to mount on a 144/177 Blower ..
I would like to find a person close to me that was willing to take Rough Sketch drawings & 3d print or CnC parts ,
Who ever ends up with stuff I touched built are going to scratching there head in how I assembled or what I was thinking...
Pm sent

 

Will do. I am interested . Have been on road on and off all day. I am curious on how you would approach.
Mitch

 

wfo guy. You are correct. My Bird catcher had the nossels in the mounting base.