If you had the chance to move to northern Cali, would you?

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Great people though...all the rodders here are great!

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IF YOU WERE NOT BORN HERE, then leave....

 

Rancho Cambodia (tm) is nice in the fall......

 

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Jeezuzfuckingkerist, I agree with Germ on something...

 

I live here.
I'm a rock star with a huge cock so it;s easy to snort cocaine all day with magazine editors, make phone calls, and then cancel my own tours after ticket sale receipts fall in my lap.....

I think WHITE PEOPLE should all die just in general.
oh and also Bald guys with small dicks that screw asian hookers....

and KOBE BRYANT for fucking up the LAKERS...

 

I'll tell any potential movers to Norcal this:
my income and my wifes combined are around 100,000 anually.
we live check to check and there is no way in hell we could save money for a house. to stay here we have accepted that fact that we may well be apt. dwellers for the rest of our lives if we stay in this area. We do have some cash left over at the end of each payday, but only enough for a dinner
out a couple times and a movie maybe. Sure not enough to save up 20-30k for a house down payment on some shitty fixer upper. But, I love it here, I surf so that's a big factor for me. I would tell anyone who says they have a more
thriving hotrod scene than in cali is HIGH, so that's a plus
but I too am from out of state. I came here from Kansas in 95 because the Air Force brought me here and deposited me here after I got out so here I am. I am seriously considering moving out within a few years to a less expensive, less crowded, more conservative state with better schools for my kids. What can you do? I love it here,
but it costs to be here in more than greenbacks. I hate alot of things about where I came from but it's dirt cheap to live there, the schools kick ass, and you can leave your car and house unlocked all day and not worry. So to answer the question, knowing what I know now about the downsides of Norcal, would I move here? Probably not. I would rather have a house and yard, less hippies, and better schools than
all of the fun Norcal has to offer. My 2 Cents

 

Farmer, We have about the same income more or less(self employment is like that) I can't fathom those house prices. It is an incredibly beautiful area but man..... By comparison Even after the Beau Rivage and other casinos popped up all over our beach and drove property values up, 500 grand would still buy quite a spread here on the Gulf Coast. Although Ive been in a 5M house here recently, most are 120 to 250 thousand. and are around 2000 square feet with the usual 2 car garage and the like, my house is 3200 sf 4br/3ba with a 1200 sf 3 car garage downstairs, on the water with a 130 foot pier, for 1300 a month. Now I have been in this house for 13 years and we've added some footage but it still probably wouldnt go for more that 275 or so. As much as I love the California hotrod scene, I couldnt give it up.

 

I hear ya, I'm wanting the things that matter to ME now...
a house, a yard, better life for my family. I have had alot of fun out here, In a few years I will be ready to shift into a quieter time in my life. I still have some feral to get out of me yet, some more big cold waves to scratch into,
that season in my life is coming and I will be ready when it
comes. I can't stay here for ever in this rat race, it's not
in me to live this way for ever. When I think of home and peaceful things, I think of the land I grew up on in Oklahoma. Riding horses almost out of sight on our own family land. Redtail hawks on fence posts big enough to carry a small kid away. Box turtles crossing the country road. That is where I would like to be when the time comes.

 

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I'd agree, but my parents& wife would have to leave with the rest of 'em. I was talking to an old timer at a coffee shop in Sunnyvale who said,

" I remember when all these people were trees."

Something to think about.

There is hope for N. Cal yet. The best thing about the tech boom is that it is not tied to the land at all. Sure, the tech industry got its start here, but it certainly doesn't NEED to stay here to insure survival. TECH is not a natural resource that can't be found elsewhere, and even tech companies are getting tired of paying the rent out here. Prospective employees are reluctant to move here because of the nation wide hype surrounding housing prices in the bay area. Instead of drawing talent to the bay from all over the world, people are staying out in fear of the cost of living.

Sounds good to me. I lived here when SILICON was only for tits, and there were actually orchards instead of GINORMOUS, fucking monolithic mirrored glass buildings everywhere with names on them. The best part is... IT'S COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU. Raleigh-Durham, NC, Austin, TX, Las Vegas, NV, Atlanta, GA, Reston, VA. Meet the NEW silicon valley offspring.

ENJOY>
-r

 

this is true...I have noticed that they aren't coming back

Coming from a surfer's standpoint, I hated the dotcom boom
because our nice little crowd turned into a damn zoo overnight. It seemed that everyone that came here for the tech jobs decided they needed to surf too, now that half of them got laid off a while back, the crowds tapered off again and are still bad, but not as bad as they were at times. good ridance, I hope the tech boom goes elsewhere so rent won't get any higher for a while. My apt. jumped from 900 per month to 1200 when that shit took off. It seems that rent has settled back down a bit too. I hope that tech boom and it's crowds go elsewhere, at least until I move away..haha

 

I think several people have touched on the idea of where you live, or want to live being the direct result of your personal priorities and point of view.

California has alot to offer. NorCal especially. And there's a price to be paid for those things. To many, that cost is prohibitively high.

Just like any other market in a capatalist society, the housing market is led by the concept of supply and demand. The higher the demand or shorter the supply, thie higher the price. In this area, you have high demand for housing being supplied by a very limited number of houses. That's not to say that there aren't new tracts of homes stacked on top of eachother springing up all over the place. Because there are. But the cities in NorCal aren't allowed to grow outward forever as they are in other areas. Geography limits that to a point. When you build San Fransisco on a peninsula, surrounded on 3 sides by water, it can only grow in one direction. And once it's grown into the next city, there's no un-developed land left to develop. But another part of the problem is cultural and beaurocratic and financial. If the roads won't support the growth you can't grow. If the state or local government is too broke to improve the roads, you can't grow. If the hippies won't let you build because it might affect the home of the spotted-sandy-three-toed-cricket-fish you can't grow. Etc., Etc.

A friend of mine and I were discussing the pros and cons of my home state of Texas and his of California. Obviously, the price of houses came into the discussion and he said, very simply, "It's all about where people want to live." I couldn't argue with his logic. If more people want to live in Cali than there are houses for them to live in the price will go through the roof. That's what's happened.

I have plans to take my Texas ass back home in the next 5 years. And, ironically, that friend of mine is moving his family to Oregon as early as NEXT year.

But back to priorities, and paradigm. If you come from California, you're accustomed to some things that would simply shock and horrify someone from a small town in the midwest. I live in a very fucking small town in the agricultural heart of California, that is just about as "small town America" as you can get and still be within the state of California, and I STILL can't go into a public restroom ANYWHERE without seeing a ton of fucking norteno-sureno graffiti all over. Put a dude from Kansas in the same place and he's not gonna want to raise his kids here. Grow up everyday of your life looking at the sky through a yellow haze and you won't understand why someone from Georgia is gonna be disgusted by the fact that they can't see the horizon through the smog.

As has been said, every place has it's ups and downs. NorCal's ups are weather, culture(car shows, art shows, music scene, good shopping, restaurants, museums, entertainment, etc.) and diversity. NorCal's downs are cost of living(housing, food, gas, TAXES) traffic, overpopulation and crime/gangs.

It's just a matter of deciding where each of these things falls in your list of priorities. And how much of the bad you can tolerate in order to attain the good.

Personally, the plus's in the California column aren't good enough to justify my hour and a half commute. I could give a fuck about the beach or the mountains or the desert. The weather is nice, but I grew up in hot, humid and miserable South Texas, and that's what air conditioning is for.

I've got a good enough job out here, and we live comfortably, and my wife gets to stay home with the kids, but my commute is fucking ridiculous.

HotRodHon, you mentioned that you make 6 figures, and own your house plus 2 rentals out here. Congrats. You're doing better than anyone I personally know in CA. Maybe I run with the wrong crowd, but in my circle of friends, I'm doing better than any of them and I'll be damn lucky to hit $100k this year, and it will have been through working a fucking lot of overtime. And even at $100k annually, you would have had to buy your houses(personal and rentals) several years ago to have even qualified for the loans. We're not talking about moving to NorCal several years ago, we're talking about moving here now.

And because it seems that you're unwilling to believe that the wages here don't make up for the cost of living:

http://swz.salary.com/costoflivingwizard/layoutscripts/coll_result.asp?presentsalary=76960&presenthomemetrocode=157&presentworkmetrocode=157&newhomemetrocode=45&newworkmetrocode=45&x=38&y=19

This was for me personally. I took what I make here, and had the computer compare it to what I would make in my hometown. As you can see, the cost of living in San Jose is 42% HIGHER and the wages are only 17% higher.

Let me know if you need more convincing.

I'm not saying it can't be done. Obviously a ton of fucking people are doing it. But there are also many, many people who choose not to do it. To stay where they are. Because the plus's aren't worth the minuses for them.

 

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Sounds good to me. I lived here when SILICON was only for tits, and there were actually orchards instead of GINORMOUS, fucking monolithic mirrored glass buildings everywhere with names on them. The best part is... IT'S COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU. Raleigh-Durham, NC, Austin, TX, Las Vegas, NV, Atlanta, GA, Reston, VA. Meet the NEW silicon valley offspring.


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Coming? It's been here for years. We went through the Dot Com boom and bust here as well. Luckily we have more than teh tech industry. But it did double the price of houses inside Raleigh within 4 years. A decent house is now around $160k in Raleigh. That's why I moved out of the city.

 

California SUCKS. People are vain, self-centered, and think they are Gods gift to the rest of the country. All you have to do is read all the posts from Californians and you can see that. "If you werent born here leave" WTF

 

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California SUCKS. People are vain, self-centered, and think they are Gods gift to the rest of the country. All you have to do is read all the posts from Californians and you can see that. "If you weren’t born here leave" WTF

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Well, I guess once again my ability to piss people off has kept them from seeing my original point.
I never said or believed that California is any better than any place else. And when someone like Tragic who lives here talks about it, I listen.
My point is that you cannot judge the cost of living in California, if you don’t live here. You only get a one week snapshot of a fifty two week year.
Californian's don't think we are better or "god's gift to the rest of the country". Some of us just have the same pride in our state that you do in yours.
Why is it acceptable to have a t-shirt that says "Fuck you, we’re from Texas" but so horrible to have one that says "if you weren’t born here leave"
Please: find one thing in my statements that said California was better.

Craig

 

i'm moving to Arizona,where you can get a gun,crack pipe,and a case of beer ALL IN ONE STORE!!!!!!!..take it easy guys...

 

Well, for all it's worth...I live in San Jose in the heart of the Silicon Valley, and I consider moving everyday. For what the area has to offer, the price is definitely not worth it. The weather is great and the proximity to SF and Santa Cruz makes it a little appealing. The price of property/real estate is unbelievable...$600,000 for a house next to a noisy freeway but would sell elsewhere for $200,000 on 3-5 acres of land. If she's getting paid major bank and you've got some green rolling in as well and money's not an option, you have a roadster or convertible, you can keep any land or real estate you have now, and you don't mind being a little bored...the Silicon Valley is for you. By the way, there is a decent hot rod scene here, though. Paso is only a couple hours away and Billetproof is right here, as well as a few local shows put on by car clubs and Goodguys. If this oppurtunity is a great one for your wife, that changes things a little bit. Just make sure you look at the cost of living here...this great oppurtunity may turn into a financial burden. Good luck with your dilemma, if you move here look me up!

Adam

You can go here and look at rental prices...
www.craigslist.org
You can look into more rentals and home prices here...
www.mercurynews.com

 

NO! Arizona may be.

 

I hate the Lakers, with or without Kobe Bryant.
I love the Orlando Magic, look at where we are with a hodgepoge team made up of journeymen and a fixer upper called called Grant Hill. We're in first place in the Eastern Conference, dammitt.
Oh yeah, we're ahead of the Miami Heat, Miami is home to the MOST unfriendly people in the States. I'm not gonna say that Miami leads the world in unfriendliness, that honor has got to go to people from Manchester, England.
But I despise Miami, if'n you think LA is a fake, come visit Miami for a wake up call. English speaking Cubans will refuse to talk to you in anything other than Spanish.
Miami is beautiful, but Miamians can suck my ass.
Miami was great when it was a run down hovel....money ruins everything.

Honest to God, I'm not lying when I say that THE nicest people I've ever met were the one's from the Bay Area.

Hey germ, I love you, I really mean it, don't be a stranger.

 

Fuck the beach, I'm staying for the MEXICAN food.

-r

 

I am a native Californian, and I lived there for more than twenty years.

I would only go back if I were financially independent, had no reason to go out on the roads for four hours on either side of rush hour, and had no family.

On second thought, even then I wouldn't move back. I'd move to Aruba instead.

 

For the sake of argument....My wife and I just found a house Here in Tn.It was built in 99,Its two story home,2720sq. ft.,A 40' x 60'SHOP with concrete floors and roll up doors on both ends.An attached 2 car garage.A pond out back fed by 3 natural springs on 10 acres for $259.900.You tell me where you can find ANYTHING in Ca. for that price....ANYWHERE.Did I metion that its on 10 ACRES.AND...It has a 20' x 30' recreational room over the attached garage.

 

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Oh ....I forgot to mention...did you all know that there is a 500 peson waiting list on all new homes in or around reno.I hear 98 percent of the people are trying to MOVE OUT of Ca.

 

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California SUCKS. People are vain, self-centered, and think they are Gods gift to the rest of the country. All you have to do is read all the posts from Californians and you can see that. "If you werent born here leave" WTF

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That a bunch of real intelligent comments.
You no what all you clueless shit talkers and traders.
This state is not one big high priced city. There’s lots of low priced towns to live in.. Ca is a fuck of a lot more than the talking heads on TV try to tell you. like HRH said “if you don’t live hear you don’t know what your talking about” so STFU and if you moved from here cause you couldn’t make it. that’s your own fault.

People have been trying to get here for over 200 years.
At least this state can support itself.

 

He is right about Ca. having many small,Inexpensive towns.But whats to say in TEN YEARS, when those "small towns"Turn into an independent city.with the way Ca. is growing and devoloping.Its bound to happen.Can you say...ELK GROVE. That place used to be a Really small town,Now look at it.its now overpriced and overpopulated.I can name NUMEROUS other town that are destined to be the same way,..... if they have'nt already.I lived there for 29 years.I know whats gonna happen.might as well call it "LITTLE CHINA"

 

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You tell me where you can find ANYTHING in Ca. for that price....ANYWHERE.

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All of California is not as overpriced as the Bay Area. Here is a listing for Greenfield.
Greenfield
The average price is under 200K so I'm sure you can find something nice for a similar price.

Craig

 

Don't forget CA's got the Governator!! I'd live there in a heartbeat if I could have my income to debt ratio remain the same, which means I need to make about $300,000 a year. Anybody got any job opening in that salary range

 

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He is right about Ca. having many small,Inexpensive towns.But whats to say in TEN YEARS, when those "small towns"Turn into an independent city.with the way Ca. is growing and devoloping.Its bound to happen.Can you say...ELK GROVE. That place used to be a Really small town,Now look at it.its now overpriced and overpopulated.I can name NUMEROUS other town that are destined to be the same way,..... if they have'nt already.I lived there for 29 years.I know whats gonna happen.might as well call it "LITTLE CHINA"

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And if you had got a home in one of them you would have some horsepower now.
How is it that a mans property increasing in value is a bad thing?

 

Dammit...29 years and ive never even heard of Greenfield.....LMAO.Im gonna shut up now.I withdraw from this post....LMFAO!

 

I guess I have always kinda thought of Cali as the Mecca of hot rodding, and it still is I guess, but no way in Hell would you get me to live there! I have no doubts the people are nice and you have great weather but at those costs it boggles my mind despite making a 6 figure income! I live in the center of Upstate NY, we get like 150 inches of snow per year, average(can get as much as 200)!!! I have always lived here and know nothing else. Our house is 1500 square feet, pretty damn small if you ask me, but it is only worth 80-90k around here...$600,000?...let me lift this bitch off the foundation and move it there! For 600 grand you can buy a 5000 square foot house with a tennis court, big garage and lots of yardage. We have a 24x30 garage in the back yard and it cost all of 10 grand to put it up, that include everything!!!!....and our car scene is booming the past few years, we have cruise in's almost every night during the summer! Sure we get the snow, but we also get beautiful summers, beautiful fall's with leaves changing color (gotta see the adirondaks in october!) and snow isn't that bad if you are used to it! After living here I would probably get bored with all the nice weather you all have there. This is coming from someone who absolutely hates raking leaves and shoveling the driveway....somehow its all worth it! Our cars may have more rust and may cost more for what you get here but you can make 6 figures here just like you can in friggen CA, the 6 figure jobs are not quite as prevalent but they are here if you have the skills to fit the bill...NY'ers complain about taxes and what not but if they all knew about the monetary situation in CA they would probably be digging into their humble pie! I think I am going to move to Virginia where they still get snow and leaves change, but snow is less and warm weather stays longer!...maybe Tennessee after seeing what Hollywud has!!!! Traffic around here is nothing, schools are awesome-as good or better than any in the country, people are relatively nice...we have everything Cali has, just a little less of it lol...and a lot fewer fruits and nuts...at least around here. If you live there and love it, more power to you, you are very fortuneate people to able to live it and love it...as for me and apparently many other on the board, I'll take a less populated, less traffic ridden, slightly lower paying area with not quite as good weather....when you think about it, everything evens out....the goods and the bads are equal really....just depends on what is most important to you in your life! I think I just gave my $1.20...sorry for the ramble