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Ignition switch ground?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by schpud, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. schpud
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    Do I need a ground wire for an ignition switch? The stock grounded through the body, and I have an aftermarket switch, but the piece the switch bolts in to the dash is plastic, and I dont think it would ground.
     
  2. toms37gmc
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    Dont need a ground, the switch just completes or interrupts the circuit.
     
  3. metlmunchr
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    Shouldn't need a ground. Every terminal in the switch should be isolated from grounds, and and the remainder of the switch has purely mechanical function, and not electrical.
     
  4. mashed
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    Sure. If you run a magneto or drive a lawn tractor.
     
  5. Johnny Gee
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    Only if you still have the stock idit temp light in the dash. Thats how the light gets lit up when you turn the key in the start position. Its for seeeing if the bulb still functions.
     
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  6. chopolds
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    Yes, you do need it. The rheostat that dims and brightens the dash lights needs it to function.
    IF your car has dash lights....you don't say how old it is.
     
  7. go-twichy
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    bam. take that.
     
  8. 325w
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    Ign does not need a ground. Remember you can make all circuits work with it hanging out under the dash. Oil idiot lite uses a sender to make it work and grounds thru the bulb socket are a ground wire off the bulb socket . Same on gen idiot but no sender. If you want it grounded you can wont hurt anything. just don't use one of the spade terminals on the back as a ground.
     
  9. tommy
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    All the switches that needed any grounding always got it through the body of the switch. I don't believe you will have a problem. All the ign switch does is direct the in coming power to the appropriate device were the ground occurs completing the circuit.
     
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  11. chopolds
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    True, Tommy, but we don't know if it's a 'gl*** car (or dashboard), those guys sneak in every once in a while!!!!!!
     
  12. tommy
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    Yeah it could be but he was talking about an ign switch and not a light switch so as 325W said, I've started lots of hotrods with the switch just hanging by the wires while under repair. An ign sw does not need to be grounded even on a gl*** car.
     
  13. chopolds
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    Hey, I just noticed....I was talking about a light switch and the OP was asking about an ignition switch.....as Emily Litella used to say...."Nevermind"!
    Guess I'm a bit "off" today!
     
  14. inline 292
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    The ground in OEM ignition switches around the '70's was to ground the coil feed wire when said switch was in the lock position. This was to hinder hot wiring attempts and consequent theft.
     
  15. Johnny Gee
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    I've never seen that on any GM stuff. What OE are you refering to?
     
  16. The ground on a GM ignition switch is for Twilight Sentinel. TS shuts off by time, and it knows when to initiate shut down timing when it receives a ground signal, from the ignition switch. GM ignitions switch one terminal to ground for this feature. TS will NOT work properly without this ground. Ask me how I know... :(

    Cosmo
     
  17. OK, I'll bite. How do you know?
     
  18. Johnny Gee
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    Lets stay with in the on topic years
     
  19. GM introduced Twilight Sentinel in 1960
     
  20. Johnny Gee
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    "Twilight Sentinel was first offered as an option on 1960 Buicks. It was later offered in Cadillac automobiles in 1964. This feature received expanded availability on selected Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Chevrolet models in later years.
    A related feature offered on many General Motors models during the 1950s and 1960s was the Autronic Eye headlight dimming system (which did just that). Cadillac later referred to its automatic dimming system as "Guidematic Headlamp Control" which encomp***ed Twilight Sentinel and Dimming Sentinel controls."

    I should of looked it up before hand :eek:
     
  21. So, you can put TS on yer Deuce Highboy and be trad:D
     
  22. I put TS in a non-GM with a GM column, but didn't see the ground wire in the diagram.

    Headlights stayed on, like, forever...until I grounded the ignition switch. Careful study of the wiring diagram revealed my oversight.

    Which would seem to indicate that putting TS in a car with any other ignition switch would be fraught with disaster.

    Not that any of us WANT to hide switches...but I did not have a lot of switches on the dash you see...

    Cosmo
     

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