Hot Rods Illinois Title Issues

Any more info on this? Is it still a bonded title even when the car is built from scratch and they have to assign a serial number? I should scan in the documents that the state provided for reference. Very confusing.

 

Ike can answer this one, but I believe from what him and FINKSTR said that this is not a bonded title the way they are going through it. THis is a brand new vin/IL title.

 

The lady answering the phone at the state told me that I'd still have to go thru the bonded title process even with a vehicle that was assembled of new parts. That just doesn't make sense at all and I'm guessing they just don't have the program clearly defined.

 

Title fun in ILL.

http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x1042476050/Dave-Bakke-More-than-a-year-later-Springfield-man-gets-his-car-title

 

Ike, seen you must of resolved the title issue, you were out for a drive the other day. So what's with the dealer plates on the car?

 

just read a very detailed thread regaurding Illinois titles on fordbarn, frank the plumber seems to be very informed about this issue.

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1670

 

Please note that Frank the Plumber has deleted his post that you are referring to as he has been personally insulted and attacked for contributing to the ford barn site and will no longer contribute.

 

That is too bad. We need good info and insulting people that provide it is just crazy. If you know "Frank the Plumber" give him an apology from me for crap others have given him.

I think its getting to the point where I think I'd rather have a bonded title then an original title for a pre 48 car or truck in IL, how sad is that? I'm also thinking that if that pre 48 car has been modified, an original title is wall art.

I have a 48 Plymouth coupe that is going on a 90 Dakota chassis. I'm wondering if I would be better off just "recabbing" the Dakota instead of trying to title it as a 48 Plymouth. The Dakota already belongs to me. Wonder how long it would be before I get pulled over with "B" plates on my 48 Plymouth coupe? Gene

 

The titles being pulled in Illinois are for all over 25 years per some fellow posters, hard to say if you will have troubles with a 48 body on 90 frame, you may in 5 years, I wonder what the policy is on emissions, will they make you pass a 90 standard emission or are you exempt any way.
By putting a 48 body on a 90 chassis you end up with a constructed car, your engine will not match the #s and your frame will not match the numbers. Technically, you are not allowed to remove a vin tag from a vehicle, you are not allowed to reattach a vin tag to a vehicle unless you are licensed to or supervised to do it.
It all gets a bit confusing but it works like this:
The state, upon issuing a clear title has produced a document of ownership for a piece of property, you and I as citizens of the state require the state"us basically" to certify that when we get a new clear title that it is backed by the law and authority of the state. We don't want some guy coming along in a year and claiming our car. The state takes on that full responsibility, they purify the paper work, must be done, this is why a dollar is not just a joint wrapper and has the value of a dollar, faith. The state has a tough job when you put it in perspective, if a car is titled by them and has junk numbers, they are it, they are sued, we the people pay higher taxes, people are fired for not being informed. You could slip a mickey of a retag past most car guys, never mind a DMV employee driving a 96 Accord, so the state has to enact a uniform system that all of its employees can use, if it don't look kosher make them bond it.
At the same time the state is also trying to adopt a uniform system of titling vehicles coming into the state and within the state. They are trying to protect the consumer, if I own a vehicle with a glitch that is my problem, if I want to buy a vehicle I should not buy a problem. Its fair. So if they pull you and youre irons funny they will let you bond your iron and make it good. If you construct a vehicle and started with an old body but a new engine and a new frame, you have a year of body, if you buy a glass car maybe, maybe not.
The vehicle described above is a constructed car, has a glass body, has a 90 frame and an engine, it has some kind of a number, vin. The most important part of this vehicles process is going to be the first 5 minutes of conversation, the approach. If you apply for a title in illinois it will be scrutinized, will pre registering it in Cali. cleanse its paper work, most likely not. If it gets pulled in Illinois what will happen?
You will need to bond it, you will need a bill of sale for the body, if the paper is good for this possible vin you will need that , you will need a receipt for the engine trans and frame, you may get a bit of grief over the death of the Dakota so you really may not want to bring that up, youre not allowed to "kill" a car. You would then contact the sec of state and they will send you either a kit for a kit car or a kit for a restoration.
When its all said and done it is a step towards progress, paying is not fun but they used to just impound and crush or auction. You can get almost all of your questions answered by going to the services dept. at your local dmv, look it thru and ask them if you have any questions, however, your situation does seem like it requires a bit of tact. Hold your hand and think a bit before showing all your cards.

 

Never deal with the State DMV if you can avoid it! Go with a PRIVATE LICENSE SERVICE.

 

Well, see thats part of my problem. The body is a steel 48 body, it came with the 48 frame and 48 engine, as far as I know, but without a title. I did get a bill of sale, but its not well written. The 90 Dakota is still a truck, titled to me about 5 years ago. As far as I know, it too is an all original. I'll be using (what I believe is) the existing original drive train from the Dakota in the build. I can't really buy the frame and drive train from myself, can I? Wonder how this is going to work with a bonded title? Do I tell them I bought the Dakota stuff from Billy Bob across town and stick a price on it? I would really rather do this the right way the first time, just don't have any idea how to do that.

Problem is, my local DMV is the same one that the original poster probably used, as well as the guy that just got 2 titles pulled. My experance from this DMV is that anything not cut & true turns into a big hassle quickly. For the most part, they are there because they get a paycheck, customer service does not compute. Guess maybe I could do one of the license plate places in town....Gene

 

I do not think I would go with a private license service without fully understanding what I am getting into, you may expedite the process temporarily and in six months get a notice and have to go through the wringer anyway.
As I see it, please confirm as I may be wrong, common sense can be a liability:
You have a bill of sale for a body and an engine, The body may or may not have tags the engine is most likely not tagged but may go together with the body. You would need something for the tranny in paper work, maybe something for the rearend.
You outright own the dakota, you have a title, you should be able to take the frame from your dakota and put it with the body and engine. You just can't cut the dakota up and destroy it and make it disappear I know thats illegal, should not say how, you may have to sell it to a licensed wrecking yard and get a receipt showing that you did just that and that you did not cut it up. Notice how I say licensed and prove, you need an excellent paper trail, this whole thing is about paper, paper promises, paper guarantees, paper money, the DMV operates in a paper world, every single step you take has to have a corresponding paper. Go to the secretary of state website, go down to services, theres a phone number," hello may i speak to some one about obtaining a bonded title kit, they will transfer you to Debbie, she is the only person in the state who does this, she is a nice lady, she will answer any questions you have as far as requirements. I believe she is the one you speak to when you go to the state as versus them coming after you. Now back to the dakota, this is the only thing that really is a bit odd ball about this whole adventure in my experience, You could have a receipt from Billy Bob wreckers but you may as well not bs anyone as the frame did come from you and if it has a number on it its yours, so the Q is : do we ask Deb if we can use the frame from a dakota we already own? If the state does not like you taking cars apart her answer is going to be negative and is going to sour the conversation and possibly the process, and you cant unask a Q. Maybe you could, after you take what you need, junk the Dakota and paper wise, buy back your frame from them, as they are licensed to salvage. Or as a plan B you could have this thought in the process so that if the state does not like your idea, you would be ready with this as a solution so as not to sour the conversation.
Either way, you do understand that you will most likely have to bond, and it may cost $2500.00 to do it.
This is an interesting one, please post the outcome and keep us informed.

 

$2500 for a bonded title? Wow that would suck! How does it come up to that much? Yikes!

 

Thank you for your input Francisco. I guess I'll be making a phone call Tuesday. I have the Dakota all apart, sitting in my yard. It takes up a lot more room in pieces then it does complete. If need be I'll sell it to the scrap yard and buy back what I need (on paper).

The 48 was a more or less complete car (very rusty with out wheels, missing a few parts) with out a title. I did have the guy i bought it from write up a bill of sale. There is a body tag # on the firewall and I suspect there is probably an engine number, and likely a frame number, but the engine is froze up (look to have been for many decades) and the frame has a few extra holes in it. I bought it for the body shell.

Its going to suck having $2500 in getting a title, but then it will be straight and hopefully won't be an issue in the future. I sure hope the a**holes leave us alone after we jumping through all their hoops and they get done gouging us with this crap.

Scott, I suppose by the time you get it put together, pay to have it appraised, buy the bond, pay to transfer the whole mess into my name, and pay the state what they think they need for tax, I can see getting close to the $2500 price tag. Sucks, but I suspect its the way its going to be. Gene

 

There is more to this:

If you bought a car from a non holding state(non title) and bring it into Illinois, you should have a bill of sale, If the car has any numbers on it at all they would want to see those numbers. From what I understand they would like the car to be running and operating (You would have to verify this). They call the state of the bill of sale author, the car will have a registration history, the history is all in the vin tag numbers. If they verify a positive history on those vin tag numbers it is possible you may be issued a title. I dont know what happens exactly if your history comes up negative.
If you bought a car with a clear title and all the numbers matched you still are going to be scrutinized, they want to put faith back into the title process, the only way they can do that is to check all of them.
A bond for a title costs 15 to 20 bucks per thousand dollar value of the vehicle x 11/2%. a 10 grand car needs a 15 grand bond. You will appraise it, should cost 200.00 need to use a certified appraiser. So in this case Im in for 800.00. Car has to be running, need a safety inspection for insurance from a cert. mechanic. I tried a NSRA street rod inspection, Allstate bumped it.
The remainder of that number comes from the probable fear that the state is going to require a vehicle transfer tax on your car, in the kit they ask for 25 bucks, you follow along the chart to your vehicle age on the rut 50 form and it equates to 25 bucks, Ive a few tales of guys getting bills for 2 grand six months later, and I believe them, they just got you to send in a certified appraisal for x amount, there isn't much likelihood that they are going to do all this bs for 25 bucks. Honestly these guys dont work that way. So you might as well go into this knowing your'e gonna get hacked.
On a used newer vehicle they have a chart that goes to a max amount of tax on the rut50 form, I hope they max and thats all we pay, its about 1800.00.
I will say that I wouldn't try any monkey business, they use the troopers to check this stuff and they know all the tricks. Good luck and add a ton of info if you get any. Frank.

 

I am about to find out what it is like now. I just sent in a title for my 34 ford. It is an Illinois title from 1975. I guess I will see if it is any easier than an out of state one. I sent pics of the car to show it was a rusty real steel car along with the appraisal.

When I Titled my '32 last year they sent me a tax bill for $1500 after they appraised it at 28,000 without seeing so much as a picture of it. After sending them and appraisal they told me I owed nothing, so I thought I would nip it in the bud on the new car.

 

Gene, You should be able to use the Dakota title and have it checked by the police dept with the new body. The title should come back with a rebodied title.

 

Gene,
Is your 48 Dodge still complete or have you disassembled it already?

 

You must be new here. Rustynewyorker has made a HAMB career of not knowing what he is talking about.

Frank

 

Irish Dan may have something there. I bought a car back east ( I am in Washington) and got the title and a bill of sale mailed to me. I went to the local car license place and asked what I will need to bring the car in from out of state. She asked "Got a checkbook?". I walked out of there in 5 minutes with plates and registration for a car that was a 1000 miles away. Today I got the new Washington title in the mail.

 

I envy you guys in Washington, mine has been sitting for 4 months waiting its turn.

 

I asked if Washing State Patrol needed to inspect it. She said they don't do that anymore. Seems like a hole for stolen vehicles.

 

Mine is in total limbo, thats why Im on here on a wonderful Saturday asking guys if they polished their cars with tooth paste, Im so broken hearted I cant even look at her.

 

How can Illinois be short sighted about anything? Our president is from there.

 

Frank,

I have clear Illinois titles in my name for my Model A's although they haven't been licensed in over 30 years. Do I have to go through this whole thing or is it just transferring titles from a different owner that is the problem.

Thanks for any input.



Tom

 

Im not sure, it seems they have been pulling titles on old cars in Illinois at random, from what Im reading they want to check and make sure the numbers are good. If you have clean numbers it may not be so bad. I went to them, so my story is a bit different. If you are in a club or go to a show start asking about. There are a few posts on here and the barn about this.

 

I've bought used cars in the past and it's nothing to wait 9 mo for a title. You know they want all old cars off the road.I know they say it will kill the aftermarket, So they won't.After hearing from other state where they got it good.Or states that follow a different set of rules.When do they say NO! titles.I know it won't happen ,but the senator and other important state employee have to own old cars.They need to be seeked out.Thanks for listining.

 

This will work in most states:

a certificate of title

2- trophy shop VIN tags one to the A pillar and one to the frame.

 

Not in Illinois

 

I don't know about others states, that would be another thread. Illinois is determining what your car is worth therefore how much tax you pay. Get ready to write a check....I did!