Input Wanted: Gowjobs and Speedsters

Like this one?.................................................Franklin @1925

 

Model T with a Morton and Brett body and radiator shell. roof 16 valve head, houk wheels and i don't remember the rest.

and more pics...

 

Damn......That's It!!!!......Thanks The37Kid!!!......I owe you......Now I can begin the task of seeing what I can recreate...thanks again!!

 

yep, pinched that pic from a site that dealt with early racing hisso's made in the 20's - 40's. i just love double chain drive race cars. (many of the hisso's had one bank cut off and were run as 4 bangers...)

car cd: metallica, master of puppets
home: mr. cash, when the man comes around

 

I picked it up at Hershey this year, right across the isle from my spot. Two years ago I bought a Bugatti GP car tail section. The cowl section should be a piece of cake to make. I don't know were this is in the line of future projects.

 

the tail off of a bug...damn, that is going to look great. I was home a while ago and went to a friends house and he just cut up an original Brescia body and dropped it over a model T frame...he is a little big so he cut the body in two and widened it as he couldn't get in the first time.

 

and a few more for the late crowd...

 

..............and what happened to the Brescia running gear? Plenty of storage space around here for that.

 

you know i tend to agree, i wondered where the running gear went...but ya know i never did find out.

 

it didn't happen to go back to Mercedes did it? as they have been crawling all over buying up thier old race cars. You didn't happen to get an pictures of it before it left, did you?

what happened to the engine? i was down in crockett in this old warehouse and in the back there were the remains of about 6 v8 hisso enigines and a whole host of spares...honestly i just wanted one...then i found out how much it costs to make the rod bearings!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't think the factory bought it, but it went for BIG bucks! I took about 6-8 detail photos of it and one of me sitting in it, I didn't know it at the time that it was the oldest INDY car I'll ever sit in. I have to agree with one of the guys that was bidding on it, it should have been left "As Is", rebuilt mechanicaly if needed and Vintage Raced! If I find the photos I'll post them.

 

There may be a gearhead out there that has never see a Brescia Bugatti "Banana Tappet", so here are two illustrations. Single overhead cam opened the four valves per cylinder, the tappets were cast in babbit filled bronze tappet blocks. A few of these engines powered early Midgets in the 1930's

 

i love that engine...anyone who makes cam followers out of lead and the fitting it to the head...well, make the call (i still want one...though i will never fit in it)

ettore had some different ideas about engine design, man did he love exhaust valves, not so big on intakes...maybe that is why the respond so well to supercharging.

 

Just to clarify things the banana tappets are steel and slide back & forth in lead babbit. You addjust the valve clearance by grinding the cap on the valve stem or adding a round shim under the cap. Took a lot of time to do one.

 

I have a question....how was the rear of one of those Bugatti GP's sprung......say the 59 model??????...Just wondering...


Guess I could build me a speedster body form scratch.....

 

leaf springs, probably quarter eliptics (off the top of my head)

 

Thanks........Fur Biscuit....

 

(do you want more, i will go pull my copy of Bugatti by Borgeson...)

 

I can't think of any Bugatti that didn't have quarter eliptic rear springs in the rear, and a torque arm from the center section of the rear to the crossmember behind the transmission. This is the Type 59. Note: I should have croped that line drawing better no rear spair that tire is from the front view part of the drawing.

 

i was thinking if some of the pre-war (ww1) stuff might have had a cantilever semi eliptics, and of course semi- fronts for the real early stuff, like Black Bess

 

Not THAT would be the garage find of the century the twin sister to Black Bess that never went home after running the INDY 500!

 

well the nice thing about being at my parents house is that i can walk dwon to my fathers library and pull the appropriate book out...per "bugatti", by ronald barker:

a full race version of the 5 litre car was entered at indianapollis in 1914. the car was stroked out to 5.65 litres and double chains subs***uted for a shaft drive. The car was no match and dropped out on the 134th lap. this car was subsequently photographed (possibly, not verified) as wearing a coupe body.

a year later (1915) another 5 litre car, destroked to be under the imposed 300 cu inch limit of the day, arrived with double chain drive at the 6th grand prix to be held in San Francisco, it dropped out due to magneto troubles. one week later it showed up at the vanderbuilt cup race held on the same curcuit and dropped out again

 

Thanks for that update. Here it is at Playa Del Ray in 1915 with Jimmy Marques behind the wheel.

 

There's certainly some grouse stuff here, never really got into speedsters, but I'm liking what I see here!


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the fun part having done some reading on the car, was that it was hopelessly out cl***ed the entire time it raced...

picked up a copy of "the cl***ic twin cam engine: borgeson" man i want a dohc puegot...(not that i hadn't wanted one before, but now i really want one)

i am going to try and dig up some cool old race car/ speedster pics and history on 'em and try and put the info up here, figured it might be entertaining.

 

I sure would like to find this one, that spair tire in the trunk feature is really slick. photo was taken at the Dewey Ave. Track in Rochester, N.Y in 1922

 

i noticed that by the time of this photo they had gotten the spare down lower (recalling the issue with the bad handling in the '14 GP, where the spares were mounted in a similar fashion, but up higher...leading to a loss to Mercedes that year.)

is that one of the GP cars or a coup del'auto car (3 litre)?

i read that one of the 3 litre cars survived (briggs cunningham collection)

i also recall a guy showing up with a 7.4 litre car built out of the remains found a while back...i think it was Goodwood about 2003?

random picture...

 

just to add to the confusion I think all these ***les are regional because i see pics of what we would call a sprint car mixed with the speedster pics and what some places call jalopy racers we called modified stock.my dad drove sprints and midgets late 40s thru early 50s he quit late 53 .there was a post here about a guys grandfathers racing cars and we never saw anythink like those around here mabey someone can find it and ask him after all he was rracing back then

 

here is a an LSR "speedster"...Babs, as posted before, but with a better pic

 

never mind, it is the car from the Lindley Bothwell Collection, now to find that brown one...