Print out what Frank wrote and put it somewhere that you can read it everyday. Maybe it will sink in and save you some grief. Well said.
NOT so. They tried this in OK years ago. The law was tossed precisely because there was no gauge to specify WHAT was "too loud". The law was tossed because there was not a decibel level set as to what cons***uted a violation of the law.
No more squirreling on the street for me Tman ,as i am a born again by the book driver now.I realized that i would run out of money before the machine would ,so i quit the street renegade stuff cold turkey ...
So because it did not work in Oklahoma, it does not work anywhere else? Please re-read what I posted.
If it only a fine I will pay it and walk away. But if there going to take my bike or car then they will have a fight on there hands. Hell I got enough ticket for loud pipes with my Triumph and Harley choppers I could wall paper the walls with them. And it was always in the one cop towns.
Get a ticket, and challenge it. The law cannot depend on what the officer feels, there has to be a decible limit.
Please stop spreading disinformation, that is simply not true. While some municipalities have official dB levels, many do not.
I read it the first time and fully comprehended it. I read and speak English quite well, thank you. My statement stands.
In my small town we get hundreds of Harley runs through here every weekend. Now, I have owned many cycles including Harleys over the years so I'm not anti-biker. But HUNDREDS of open pipe harleys just kills the whole small town quiet we all moved here to enjoy. So I actually protested to the city council to run some sound meters on these groups to "discourage" the clowns a bit. (even no mufflers can be run easy and quiet if you hold off a bit on the throttle in town). Well, they told me to shut up 'cause all those bikers bring in big money to the restaurants, bars and hotels in town! So I guess I can just run my hot rod as loud as I want as long as I drink up in a local bar! But I am noticing that "property seasure" is creeping into lots of laws these days - and Texas even has one town that routinely shakes down travelers of money and property openly under their local "laws". That ****'s got to be stopped before it gets ugly.
Is it any different than getting a speeding ticket without the use of a radar gun, or any traffic violation in which there is no evidence? It's based on the judgment and training of the police officer. It happens every day.
What Texas town is that? Obviously not listed on roadmaps and AAA route sheets as "to be avoided at all costs" so help us out here. This sounds alot like Louisiana State Troopers and other law enforcement there. Thanks.
It's not a bad idea to fight. It's a bad idea to fight the wrong way. You should teach younger generation how and when to fight. Get involved in your government (especially local) by voting and writing letters, and speaking out. The first post (although unverified) read something along the lines of if a cop thinks your car is too loud, then he can confi****e it. That's just unacceptable, and anyone who argues otherwise is just plain beaten. (...into submission, thank you, enjoy your taxes)
The freedom of choice is the answer. You can't beat them. Join them, accept it, or quit whining and move.
Yall crack me up! Put some damned mufflers on your ride and quit *****in! If ya want it loud, put some dumps with caps on em so you can shut your ride up when you need to. As with every thread I post in, I read every post on here, and all I can do is laugh. Are yall blind? Ya see the problem and rather than abide, you ***** and complain. The law is what the law is. Ya don't like it, do something about it. Otherwise abide by it like the rest of us do, or at least know what your limits are. Plainly put, if your local law enforcement wants you to have a muffler, put one on or deal with the consequences.
In other words, you are saying the following: There are no noise laws in the USA that do not rely on established dB levels. and Every noise law in the country has an attached dB level that law enforcement uses to establish whether an infraction applies. and There are no noise laws in the country that rely on an officers judgment. I just want to verify that the above statements apply to your thinking.
The problem with a law based solely on the judgement of the officer is it fails to take into account that police are people too. Sometimes they make mistakes - and every now and then you get an ***hole in there giving everyone else a bad name who abuses the law. To give a police officer the power to sieze your car because he "thinks" it's too loud really opens up a door you don't want open. Especially in places where cars either get picked over in impound lots, or the impound fees are so high you can never afford to get the car out of there. I mean look at it this way, the ACLU fights tooth and nail to try to keep police from stopping someone they "think" might be an illegal alien, even though should someone be here legally it should be relatively easy to prove it and be on your way. But no, that's racist to even ask. By the ACLU line of thought it should then prejudiced to stop someone with a nice car because, again, you "think" it's too loud or whatever. Unlike the ACLU, I don't have a problem with that - that's the cop's job, to check for things that might be illegal and if that means a little profiling, so be it. But unlike the legal resident alien, without a decibel limit, I have nothing to stand on as to whether my car is legal or not. Just like the speed limit, there should be something exact for you to either be over or under. That makes it harder to abuse the law, and gives you a legal defense. Let the cop be the cop and leave judgement to the judge, also. I guess the question is who has deep enough pockets to step up, risk their car, and sue for damages/to get the law changed? You can fight the system, but it's going to cost you to do it one way or another.
You guys are whipping a dead horse.If you have the time and money to fight it constantly then go for it .If your like most of us that have better things to do then sit in court all the time and waste money for a lawyer and bail then put mufflers on it for the street .I gaurantee you will run out of money before the machine does .I hate the system more than anyone ,but thats the way it is so except it and go on ...
Read carefully. The laws that are enforceable DO have dB standards. Arbitrary "noise" laws do not, and can be fought and won against. Too easy. Hopefully, this answers your concerns. Thank you for your input. I'm sure you will take the opportunity for the last word. I will not reply, as my words are plainly in front of you.
Does the noise law in your small town apply to f#@&king Harley Davidsons too? I actually SAW a Harley Davidson with a muffler on it.....once!
i got one of these years ago with my new buick gs with gl*** packs they would echo of the downtown buildings like a cannon. (but officer the mufflers are brand new)
I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!!!! Just make your car as loud as you can handle and parade through town often......heh, that'll piss em' off!
I live outside (by a couple miles) a very small town. Most noise regulations I have encountered have a time frame they are in effected for. Example in a town I lived in with a population of 5000 had a noise ord between 10 p.m and 6 a.m, If the noise was in effect all the hours of the day, then lets say you are remodeling your house and have your table saw set in the drive way, everytime you turn it on it would be against the law, Mowing your lawn would get you in trouble. Check to see if its just between certain hours. Now if it is effect all hours of the day (and some places maybe that way) and if it is I really feel sorry for you. We have enough laws that protect the stupid we don't need anymore. The DNA pool could really use a good cleaning these days!
There are no laws to protect you. They started taking them away with the Patriot Act then whittled away the Cons***ution and Bill of Rights little by little until now there are no laws left the government is obliged to obey, and none they are obliged to enforce. They can do anything to you they like including locking you away forever with no trial and no evidence, if some cop thinks you look like you might be a terrorist. They can seize anything and everything you own including your children with no proof of wrong doing. On the other hand, if you are connected you can do whatever the hell you like. Jon Corzine, ex Governor of New Jersey and ex Goldman Sachs executive was the CEO of a company called MF Global, a commodity brokerage that stole $1.2 billion dollars from its customers accounts, and he is walking around free. The biggest banks in America have admitted in court to committing mortgage fraud, stock fraud, and laundering billions in drug money. No one has gone to jail. At most they paid a fine equal to less than 1/1000th of what they made. Wake up and smell the bananas.
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