Is Tulsa the gateway to hell?

Trust me, they will not know what hit them when we make that phone ring untill this nightmare has ended!
call everyone, call!
HC

 

HankCash, are you sure that isn't a .gov address? Just checking before I send anything to an address that doesn't work. I thought most city emails were .gov.
I'll write something up a little later on today.

 

Hmm... what a horrible thing... he will be out of police custody where the city can no-longer protect him from vigilante justice... Not that I approve of severely beating someone with a similar sized lead pipe.

 

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Its said that most female and child abusers start with animals at an early age.
This world sometimes just makes me gag.
Why is it the startling news is always on the front page and most of the acts of kindness and love fall somewhere between the cl***ifieds and the comics.

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I'm with you man. It is truly a mystery.

 

I won't read the details, I don't want to know, I can't, can't look at it.

all I will say is that anyone who hurts animals should be skinned alive, rolled in salt, and hung by the neck until dead.

and that goes triple for the pile of excrement who killed sean.

what's wrong with this.....world?

 

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From what I understand, Terry Badgewell is still in custody for the 3 outstanding felony warrants he had against him.

I'm crossing my fingers that with enough phone calls and e-mails, that there is a chance the DA's decision will be reversed, charges will be made, and this WILL go to trial.

 

I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. The puppies article was more than I needed...and then I read the Shawn article...?!?!?!?! What the hell?! I will definitely be making a phone call and/or emailing some city officials.

 

D/A's e-mail.... tharris@tulsacounty.org

This is what I sent...
You guys go to it....



Mr. Harris-

RE: Terry Badgewell

I urge you to reconsider the decision to drop the charges on this man.
He is a murderer who did not act in self defense.
He repeatedly beat an unconscious man over the head 8-10 with a lead pipe.
How is that self defense?
Terry Badgewell is a violent man with a history of violent actions.
Police were called hours before the murder took place to a local restaurant where Badgewell was showing us what kind of man he was.....
He was belligerent with customers in this restaurant. The police were called and they let Terry go so he could give his greatest performance later that night.
It was a performance so great, that you have rewarded him with freedom.... I cannot judge you for that, but you will be judged one day... not by any man, but by God.

This man was struck once in the face with a pair of br*** knuckles after he decided to hit Shawn across the temple with a lead pipe.
He then proceeded to Kill a man.

Shawn and Josh were taking the trash out from their bar at 4:30 in the morning, in a part of town that they feel the need to carry a small weapon in.
Do you understand why they feel this need?
Do you own a business?
Do you trip over junkies huffing paint and brake fluid outside your door when you walk outside?
Do you ever open the front door to your business and step in human feces?
Do your hands smell like urine every time you turn the door knob of your business?
The city of Tulsa has failed Shawn!
Shawn Howard was a business owner of Tulsa. Without people like him, Tulsa has no reason for being.
He created jobs in Tulsa, he generated money and financial volume for Tulsa, and Tulsa has failed him.
Tulsa has failed to patrol the streets.
Tulsa has failed to protect it's citizens, it's business men and even it's bar owners.
Who is Tulsa? You are.
You have failed Shawn. You have failed to protect your citizens. You have failed at what you were elected to do, and I hope you can live with that.
Please reconsider your decision.

Thank You,
Jeff Wood
Dallas, TX

 

Done and done, Jeff,ol' buddy!
In the days prior to internet, someone always threatened to go to the "wire services".....What is the equivalent now of getting larger net papers attention?

 

I just signed up with Tulsa County's Inmate Information Center.

Terry Badgewell was released at 2:36 PM on 6/30/2004.

This means that he IS roaming the streets of Tulsa as we speak. And I can't begin to describe how pissed that makes me.

 

Here is an interesting question - if this guy really did have outstanding warrrants, and the cops have been called on him lately, why didn't they pick him up on warrants?
I'm going to do some checking - if this facts hold true I'm holding the City of Tulsa responsible for Sean's death. My lawyer loved Sean like a brother.

 

"Harris says an investigation showed that br*** knuckles belonging to Howard and bar manager Josh Martin had been used against Badgewell, who then grabbed a metal pipe to defend himself"

i guess i'll step up for unpopular hamber of the year award. sounds like Sean ****ed up, and with a deadly weapon according to Oklahoma law, went after the wrong ex-con. just like picking up a gun and pointing it at someone, one he started acting with those br*** knuckles, he was a criminal himself. it doesn't mean badgewell was totally innocent, but face it, ex-cons hanging outside bars in the middle of the night might know how to defend themselves. maybe one or two young bad-***es will think of him and consider the possible repercussions of that really cool "shift handle" or "belt buckle". beat downs go both ways. i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads.

my sincerest condolences to Seans family and friends.

go ahead and flame me. reality ****s sometimes.



in other news: more airstrikes in Fallujah...

 

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reality ****s sometimes.

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Yes, and the reality is that neither you or I were there.

So how do we know that Badgewell didn't have the pipe in hand, threatening Shawn, who reacted with the only weapon he had near? How do we know that a wanted ex-con that had been reportedly huffing paint and looking for a fight earlier in the day was defending HIMSELF and not vice-versa? And how do we know that he would tell the truth about what happened that night?

We don't know...and probably never will. Because this s***-****ing sack of **** took Shawn's life, and he's not here to defend his side of the argument. And because a useless and impotent DA decided that he didn't want to do his job and send a case where a person was MURDERED to trial.

I won't hold your remarks against you...but don't p*** judgement when all the facts haven't been presented before you.

Badgewell may very well have been "defending himself"...We don't know because we weren't there. But even if he was, does that give him the right to beat a man repeatedly that is already on the ground and unconscious?

This case should go to trial by jury...but it doesn't appear that it's going to. Until it does and a decision is made, anything we say is purely speculation.

I'd also like to add that I fail to see what this has to do with the situation: " i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads."

-Brian B***

 

Ray, poor taste brother....
You are posting a questionable reference to a man that so many of us knew and loved...
You are en***led to your own opinions, but use tact when talking about a deceased man on a thread full of posts from the guys who loved him.....

The br*** knuckles weren't used as a deadly weapon in this instance....
The steel ****ing pipe was!
Sorry, but if I owned a bar in the area where Deadtown is (you have to see it to believe it) br*** knuckles would be the smallest part of my ****nal.
I guarontee that Shawn did not want to fight and he was not acting a fool and throwing his arms up in the air at the guy...
trust me on this....
HC

 

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"Harris says an investigation showed that br*** knuckles belonging to Howard and bar manager Josh Martin had been used against Badgewell, who then grabbed a metal pipe to defend himself"

i guess i'll step up for unpopular hamber of the year award. sounds like Sean ****ed up, and with a deadly weapon according to Oklahoma law, went after the wrong ex-con. just like picking up a gun and pointing it at someone, one he started acting with those br*** knuckles, he was a criminal himself. it doesn't mean badgewell was totally innocent, but face it, ex-cons hanging outside bars in the middle of the night might know how to defend themselves. maybe one or two young bad-***es will think of him and consider the possible repercussions of that really cool "shift handle" or "belt buckle". beat downs go both ways. i wonder why there's so many ex-skinheads.

my sincerest condolences to Seans family and friends.

go ahead and flame me. reality ****s sometimes.



in other news: more airstrikes in Fallujah...

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="green"> Ahhhh,

Just the response I knew was coming.

Ray,

I'm sure you are a nice guy and all but why don't you go ahead and shut the **** up til you get ALL the facts?

Uhmkay?

You see, the br*** knuckles are just an excuse.

When I was working Hydraulics I would walk around with a wrench in my pocket. It's a tool of the trade. I imagine that if somone wanted to **** with me I would go ahead and use it on them.

I will guarantee you that Shawn was not using br*** knuckles, some of the reports even support this.

So the man had them in his pocket You ever carry a knife over legal length? What if someone stepped up?

You want people saying it's your fault when you aren't around to defend yourself and tell what REALLY happened?

The real story will come out but none of the news stations will report it because it will be old news and will show how incredibly flawed the original reports are.

If I offended you, I meant to.

Just as you have offended MANY.

RASHY</font>

 

Well said, Ron.

 

well how do you get some results? seems a big enough group to get some one in the hamb network or similar to run for offices , i know simple answer and the ntry to change from with in , we have had to deal with many meth houses run in houses that are absenty landords and couple of my friends got on the city council and ,i know hard to believe but all but wore the cops down and the local court people to get this problem enforced and it took along time , sounds ;ike you need to start getting everyone's attention at these local car shows with political stuff , i know sounds simple ,but until someone gets in to the local council no one will get any where put your energy there believe me we had to hit one guy with tons of paper until something stuck ,just my experience, this is small town southern minnesota

 

Tim Harris has blood on his hands!!!!!

and it's not the first time!
read.... http://www.policeone.com/policeone/frontend/p****r.cfm?object=News&amp;operation=full_news&amp;id=65682

HC

 

What the ****s the matter with you Ray?
How can you disrespect a brother like that?
Did you know Shawn? Did you know how gentle
this mans soul is?
What........ you want my vote Ray?
You got it!
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OPOSSUM BENDERS
Central Missouri Chapter

 

From the article hankcash linked:

"When it comes to the burden of proof necessary for prosecutors to file a charge, Harris' manual says "this office requires that the fact and evidence viewed in the light most favorable to the state be beyond a reasonable doubt." "

That means that D.A. Harris will not even file charges if it's possible he could lose the conviction.

"Only about 1 percent of criminal defendants face jury trials in Tulsa County compared with 4 percent nationally, the Tulsa World reported."

"It obviously makes our job tougher," Tulsa Police Chief Dave Been told the Tulsa World for a story Sunday. "But the big issue is it makes things less safe for the citizens. Obviously, conviction rates are better if you only take to trial those slam-dunk cases."

You guys in Tulsa better step up and take this guy on....he's obviously not doing his job...and he IS an elected official.

 

Ray. Quote: "sound's like Sean f#%$^&amp;-up". Where you have taken it upon yourself to be the Devil's Advocate is unfathomable. Fact's are few and far between when your literaly hundred's of MILES away from the very scene of the crime. This (deleted) has PROVEN re-peatedly on record, multiple offence's,multible FIRST HAND Witnesses to be be a constant threat to an INNOCENT public at large. Criminal by CHOICE. Substance ABUSER by CHOICE. HE created the VERY situation that ENDED an INNOCENT LIFE! READ! WHAT WAS THIS (deleted) DOING THERE? Nothing,good. And it is without adoubt, what and whose 'hand' is leading this wretched, demon spawn. And has no remorse.

 

I found this..... http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/3463485/detail.html

It says that Badgewell was to appear in court Tuesday...
did he?

**** man... I am soo sick!
HC

 

Sean would have never, never struck an unarmed man with a weapon. Sean would have never struck a man out of anger. The only time I have ever seen him in any kind of altercation was to protect the well being of his patrons, his friends. I'll never know what happened in the damned lot that night. But I didn't have to be there to know Sean did not threaten that man, or strike him without due cause. I also know this: only a ****ing idiot could ever consider beating a man until his his head, his face were shattered to be self defense.
I didn't get to see Sean in the hospital, I held the vigil at the bar and tried to keep the business rolling. A friend of ours who was consoling Sean's girlfriend got to see him briefly, she said the only way she knew it was him was from one eyebrow. One eyebrow. This monster beat my frind until parts of his skull were ****tered across a dimmly lit parking lot. Until his face was a broken twisted mess. Beat him in his chest and his back.
Self defense indeed. This whole thing makes me sick.

By the way, there were something like 300 people at Sean funeral. The funeral procession was fit for a king, it stretched out of sight in both sirections. What kind of man do you think he was?

 

Charge declined in bar owner's death
By BILL BRAUN World Staff Writer
7/1/2004

Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris declined Wednesday to file any criminal charge against a homeless man in connection with a confrontation in which a downtown bar owner was fatally injured.

Based on that decision, Terry Badgewell was released from the Tulsa Jail, officials said.

"Evidence uncovered in the investigation supported Badgewell's claim that he acted in self-defense," Harris said in a news release.

Badgewell, 38, was arrested June 24 and jailed on two complaints of ***ault with a deadly weapon, linked to allegations that he beat Deadtown Tavern owner Shawn Howard and bar manager Josh Martin with a pipe.

Police responded about 4:30 a.m. June 24 to investigate a reported ***ault in progress. When officers arrived, they found Howard lying in a parking lot. He had been beaten unconscious.

Howard, 35, died the next day at a Tulsa hospital. That created the possibility that

one ***ault count could have been upgraded to murder or manslaughter if prosecutors had filed charges.

Martin was treated at a hospital and later released.

"It is tragic that Howard died," Harris said. "But the situation that leads to a tragic death doesn't always mean that a crime was committed."

Martin, 30, said he is frustrated by the decision.

"It's actions like the sort of inaction that's being taken that leads people to chase bums around the back of buildings in downtown Tulsa," Martin said.

"Why not, if nothing is going to happen when you contact the authorities? Why not take care of it yourself? It's not the police's fault. They respond," he said.

Badgewell's attorney, Steve Hjelm, said Badgewell contends that he was punched in the face by someone who had br*** knuckles before he picked up a pipe to defend himself.

Badgewell "was not on the property of the bar," Hjelm said. "The two guys came to him."

Badgewell told police that he hit the men with the pipe after he was struck with br*** knuckles.

According to Harris, police reports indicate that the fight occurred in the 200 block of West Archer Street, a block and a half west of the bar.

Both Howard and Martin had br*** knuckles that police recovered, according to Harris.

Martin did not dispute the prosecutor's account regarding the presence of br*** knuckles.

"Realistically, I can't say that I blame him (Badgewell) for picking up the pipe, and I can't say that I blame him for hitting us once," Martin said.

"But when Shawn was down, there was no danger that warranted continuing to beat him."

Martin has said he and Howard were both struck repeatedly with the pipe.

Howard and Martin were at the bar at 23 N. Cheyenne Ave. after hours making plans for the business' fifth anniversary party.

Police previously said that Howard and Martin were chasing two suspected crack dealers from the parking lot when they saw a man identified as Badgewell urinating in a lot west of the bar.

According to the news release Harris issued Wednesday, police reports indicate that Howard and Martin had noticed a man preparing to sleep near their property and told him to leave, resulting in an exchange of words and a fight.

Officers found Badgewell at the Tulsa Day Center for the Homeless, 415 W. Archer St., and took him into custody about four hours later.

Harris said that after a complete police investigation, he decided not to charge Badgewell.

He also indicated that if new evidence is developed "that has not been reviewed by this office," he could re-evaluate his decision.

"The use of deadly force is justifiable under Oklahoma law in certain cir***stances," Harris said in his news release. "A man has a right to defend himself."

He said he met personally with Martin and with Howard's parents to explain his ****ysis of the evidence and the decision-making process.

Friends said Howard wanted to improve the lighting in the area where the bar is located.

 

So, basically.... ****head #1 (D/A Harris) and ****head #2 sat down and had a talk....
****head # 2 said "they attacked me for no reason and hit me with br*** knuckles"....
****head #1 says "really, that's awful... what else".
****head #2 said "I defended my life by beating an unconsious mans head to a pulp".
****head #1 says "really, what else"?
****head #2 says "well, I'm an ex-con, I like to huff brake fluid, the other day, I threw a big rock at the bar and did about $500 worth of dammage to a car, I was urinating in the street when they approched me and I have a history of violence"!

****head #1 says..."ok, well, your free to go".


HC

 

What is this world coming to?

I cannot even put into words how sad this makes me.

 

<font color="green">That is exactly the kind of **** we deal with in Tulsa.

Someone suggested when this happened that we contact the media, get some help from them.

The guys who were at the bar this weekend KNOW it is no block and a half away.

If you believe all that you read in the media you are poorly informed.

The BIG problem with Tulsa and getting anything done is old money.

Tulsa used to be one of the richest cities in the nation beacuse of all the oil.

Big names like Mayo, Wheeling, Wheeler, LaFortune and the clowns that own the Tulsa World. (blocked their name out of memory).

It takes big money to run for office in Tulsa and the people who can afford it don't understand the plight of the working man. They also want to pretend there is no such thing as these dregs of society that plague Tulsa so thoroughly.

Ask yourself this...

Why are there homeless people?

Are they good people?

I say probably not.

Why? you ask.

Because, if you are truly a good person and down on your luck you will have friends who can help you. I realize there are instances where a good guy may find himself alone but they should be few and far between.

I would take a second job to help a friend in need. Even HankCash.

So why are we expected to put up with these warts on society? What are they contributing?

I know at work, if your not a productive person you get booted.

Society ought to be the same way.

What is this guy ever going to amount to?

Has anyone seen the news article that says that this guy is a diagnosed schizophrenic without his meds?

ME EITHER!

Why? Because Tulsa has such a grip on the media that they wouldn't dare publish this info.

Why? Because they let him walk the streets again.

Their idea of fixing the problem is to go to all the soup kitchens and tell them not to feed this thing so he will move on to another city.

Maybe yours.

Tulsa is full of soup kitchens and so may bleeding hearts that neighboring communities actively bring homeless people here and drop them off so they don't have to deal with it.

I don't know what the solution is and getting Tulsa to even admit there is a problem is never going to happen.

I love Tulsa but I have the house for sale and can't wait to get out.

RASHYcolor]

 

My last real O/T. It's forbidden, but here it is. Go to a Search engine (google,yahoo,ect) search Illuminati Tulsa....old money indeed. It's one of their 'Hub's'... I left there 15yrs. ago. The heavy vibe was real. Agressive. I cannot imagine what it feel's like today. May justice prevail this time.

 

"It takes big money to run for office in Tulsa and the people who can afford it don't understand the plight of the working man. They also want to pretend there is no such thing as these dregs of society that plague Tulsa so thoroughly. "well if you don't think of your self and the groups you ***ociate with strong enough to do something about this so called buying the election ,you aint working hard enough at it!!! i been there, the old boy net work was deep here it took alot of phone ,meetings public ******** to
get it down the voters throat that this big shot aint gonna do anything !you have to, WE have to! i know it sounds like you -do -it i am too busy ,**** ,but it has and can be done ,hell you got painters and printers and other guys on this site all have connections ,all know someone, get your revenge by changing this!!!!,i mean i was sick to death for weeks trying to get rid of the old boy council ,it took complaints, paper work about all his houses and he laughed it off until we turned in tons of videos,as to how tokeep on em,get videos get your *** out there!!!,if the locals dont move on something you call the sheriff ,if not him the state patrol office,if not them the gov,i lost tons of sleep ,garbage on the lawn egged cars , **** missing ,the locals coming around bugging us about so called junk sitting around but hey ,turned out for us ,no news about it ,other than there aint 7 meth house stories every fricken week!!i filmed a guy getting his head bounced off the street because he was picking up the bottles that some one threw there the night before ,and he just happened to comment to the guys that were walking by that "he hoped it would not happen anymore" i can't blame you for putting up the sale sign i been there also!!what the hell has happened is beyond me

 

Harris received a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Wisconsin in 1979. Non-legal experience includes attending Escuela De Idiomas - Padres de Santiago Apostol (Spanish Language School) in Lima, Peru, while providing health care, education and food supplies to Peruvian Indians in the Amazon Basin and Quechua Indians of the Andes Mountains. He also worked as a construction foreman in the 1970s and as a 1980 Census Evaluator for the United States Department of Treasury.