Realistically, I think pretty much anyone who lived through the early/mid seventies hot rod scene is a closet fan of chromed Jag rears. I've posted it before in the show coverage, but heres a neat pic of a "survivor" T tudor from last years Ocean Park show. Looking at this car really made me smile... Lifestylers take note. I am rocking the "Baskerville" look...
My Hamber pal Al in the UK has a killer Center Door T that is just as cool as they get,,Beautiful car. HRP
Don,you know how us old farts are,we wax poetically at times. This was honestly one of my favorite trips through the Smokey Mountains,,I had just got my Model A running and was the first time I was there in a pre 48 hot rod,,I had previously drove a GTO and a Falcon. HRP
Hellfish, you are correct on the overlap of the Mk2/S type. The last of the live axle Mk2's were designated 240 and 340 based on engine capacity. The original S type was a Mk2 with a Mk 10 style trunk/rear fenders along with the independent rear. The 420 version added the Mk10/420G style front end which at least made the car look as if one person styled both ends. Roo
IIRC that was the linbergh kit, the Monogram Big T had a conventional cross-leaf setup. Think the one your thinking of may have actually been loosely based on a tempest transaxle set-up??
The first jag-based car I remember seeing was in '63, maybe '64 (CRS is a terrible thing) and was a cover car for either R&C or Car Craft. Based on a wrecked XKE, it may have had a bubble top. It sticks in my mind because even I could tell (as a dumb teen) that the polished GMC blower/injection shown was just sitting on top of the cam covers of the Jag DOHC six, no way it could be functional. A show car, it looked similar to the later Cushenberry-built Silhouette, but for the life of me I can't recall anything else about it....
Here are a couple pictures from the early 70’s, I have the green one now and have replaced the Jag with a quick change. Lot’s of money to re-chrome and rebuild.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_independent_rear_suspension Don't you people open links and look at the info? Model Track E-Type Series 1 & 2 50 in (1,270 mm) E-Type Series 3 54 in (1,372 mm) S-Type 54 in (1,372 mm) 420 54 in (1,372 mm) Mark X 58 in (1,473 mm) 420G 58 in (1,473 mm) XJ6 & XJ12 Series 1,2,3 58 in (1,473 mm) XJS 58 in (1,473 mm) Daimler DS420 58 in (1,473 mm)
I had one in my Model A which has since been sold. Got it for free from my Dad and yes the influence came from my dad who was in the hobby in the 70's. Not for everyone but hard to beat for the ease of set up, disc brakes, posi rear and chevy bolt pattern. Pretty much bullet proof for a daily. Just limited with how much it can be lowered to achieve the "look". Most build were highboy style.
I know which mag its in, just cant find it! Its here somewhere!! Too many goddam magazines, and not enough organization!!
Falcongeorge, The magazine you are searching for is Rod & Custom May 1970. It has a green cover and a picture of a green 1930 Ford sport coupe running Cragar 4 cyl speed equipment. RichardD, according to Tex Smith in this issue of Rod & Custom the first Jag rear end was installed in a 1929 Ford roadster pickup by Les Erben from San Jose around 1968. Les Erben and Joe Cardoza from the San Jose area both have 1929 Ford roadster pickups, both with Jag front and rear suspension. They formed a small company called Components Ltd. and sold kits to intall Jag suspension on Model A frames. I have met Les Erben personally and purchased the kit to install a Jag rear under my 1929 Ford roadster. That was probably in the early 1970's. I have seen both Les Erben's and Joe Cardoza's 1929 Ford roadster pickups and they both are just absolutely beautiful.
The article I'm thinking of is way earlier than 1970, more like 1967. I gotta find it. I think it must have gotten mixed in the the Hot Rods or Car Crafts of the same year, but I have a lot going on today. I am going to dig through all my late sixties Hot Rods and Car Crafts next week, I WILL find it. Not 100% certain the car I'm thinking of has a jag rear, but about 75%.
J&J Ch***is in '68 put one in my 27T sedan that I built. Dec 1969 R&C did a feature on it.I think the roadster pickup from the Bay Area (SF) was the first to do it.My rear was from an XKE and I had Henry's Machine Shop in Bellflower,CA put flanges on the hubs to accept Buick Skylark Wires .The XKE rear hubs were for knockoff style wheels.I have 8X10 pics of that ch***is and rear setup.
cowtown, I didn't come around before the mid '50s and don't remember much before about 58 or 9 and that is a little hazy. Anyway arguing and opinion has always been part of rodding as far back as I can remember. I don't think that anyone with any intestinal for***ude lets it get to them. I recall seeing a jag rear in a magazine around '68 or so, it was under a Deuce sedan I think. I am not sure that I paid much attention before that. But to be sure if I wanted to be traditional with an independent I would go early 'Vette, because they have a cross leaf. Sorry Rich I can't answer your question any better then that.
In "The Complete Builder's Guide to Hot Rod Ch***is and Suspensions" by Jeff Tann he credits Joe Cardoza and Les Urban of the San Francisco Bay area for installing the first Jag IRS units into their '29 Ford pickups on page 105...Pro-Mac is slightly off on his timing but got the man correct. According to to Jeff Tann it was featured in a 1966 issue of Rod & Custom, which would indicate it was built in 1965 considering the lead times for a magazine. As someone who's relatively new to HAMB why was '65 the cutoff regarding content? Not a complaint, it just seems more logical it would have covered the entire decade of the 60's...until I read this thread I was ***uming that was the range.
Jag Rears were in common usage under rods and customs in the UK throughout the '70s. Stateside, Dan Woods was using a similar setup to Tognotti's King T in the late 60's. I'm pretty sure Bob Reisner's "Invader" show car of 1967 used a twin diff Jag rear. Who did it first and how far back? Good question!
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