Jere Jobe Stromberg knockoff test results

Yeah, I think.

Hell, I'n about to eBay my rebuilt & run 97s. I'm not their biggest fan these days.

Nice collection, man!

~Jason

 

That's just like a taste of my random **** collection.

Yeah, I'm not a 97 fan I really just don't like the looks of 'em, and the fact every one else use them.

 

Makes me wonder how much more the final product would be if it were nicer quality...

~Jason

 

Want to know more?

http://www.stromberg-97.com/pdf/Stromberg_vs_Speedway_9super7_V2.pdf

 

Looks like the last two photos are switched, side for side.
The carb with the black base should be on the left.


No throttle stop ?
Throttle blades going over center ?
Wonderful.


How long before someone gets hurt ?

 

Great to see Clive at Stromberg fighting back.

Lets hope that he wins the War, not just the battle.

I will never buy a single item from Speedway ever. Copying a product is one thing but to copy all the packaging and box art to blatantly p*** it off as the real thing is disgusting.

 

My point exactly...

~Jason

 

The copyright infringement IS disgusting. Absolutely sickening.

It's one thing to offer similar parts ala Demon/holley, but this is just so far over the line it's not funny.

 

You know, I'm trying really, REALLY hard to believe that the Speedway folks really are good guys, and that they meant well here... and I keep trying... and trying...

Surely somebody from there is reading this and it's been brought up. But the part that concerns me is the fact that no one has addressed the concerns, in any forum - not even to refute any of these claims.

Word travels fast - we're a niche market within a niche market...

~Jason

 

How did it come to this, over at Speedway? They used to be known as all-around, stand-up guys years ago, before they got too big for their britches and could play "My lawyer's cooler than your lawyer - whatcha gonna do about it?"



As much as I hate taking stuff into litigation, I really think Clive could win this one, and get quite the monetary settlement (to throw into R&D for more awesome stuff - LOL!)...

~Jason

 

Speedy Bill trying to cash in and p*** off a cheap product... Greedy Bill more like! They were at Del Mar anyone say anything to them?

 

Here's Clive's press release in full:

 

I have read the report, I'm wondering on just one thing. Throttle stop and the plates going over center, then later it mentions over size throttle plates, it said that they can't close all the way correctly?????? . I don't understand how they can go over center.I'm not justifying the Speedy stromberg just don't understand the evaluation.
Would someone clarify the throttle stop and the plates going over center..
Duane.

 

Wow. I guess that clears up any remaining misconceptions here as to whether the Speedway ripoff version is substandard or not.

I will not do any more business with Speedway for ANYTHING after seeing that they blatantly steal not only the style of other manufacturers CURRENT offerings, but they can't even be bothered to distinguish their packaging in a meaningful manner. Everything taken together smacks of a lack of American ingenuity and smells more like Chinese patent theft...just my opinion, of course.

Shame on Speedway for this one. What's going on Bill?

 

Have not seen the carburetor; however, if the throttle stop is incorrectly machined, it would certainly be possible for the throttle plate to "go over center". This would simply mean that at WOT, the throttle plate had gone beyond 90 degrees, and thus was restricting airflow.

If the throttle stop is correctly machined, then the throttle plate would be vertical (90 degrees) at WOT.

Jon.

 

Ok, I see it now..
Thanks
Duane..

 

I agree. It does sound ridiculous. You don't have a huge problem with Speedway doing a near copy of the 97, but you have a problem when they make the box look similar? Doesn't that seem *** backwards? How's the quality of the box compared to the real Stromberg box? Is it a typical Chinese p.o.s., or on par with the real thing?

Bob

 

I share those sentiments, exactly.

Clive and his guys put a lot of love into the 97. And yes, blood, sweat and tears... and money (lots and lots of money).

If Speedway had done the same, I'd say, rock-on, good for them! A little compe***ion never hurt anybody!

But sadly, they didn't. If they did it would've been a much higher quality piece, but the love just wasn't there - well, the love for anything but money, and it shows.

And the packaging for me, as well as many others, is just the last straw.

I'm with you, man - I just sent an email, too... it's one thing when Grandma and Grandpa get you "Henry Porter and the Wizard's Rock" toys for Christmas from the dollar store when all you wanted was "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" stuff - you blow it off. But in this case, a cheap copy can get someone hurt. I just don't want to see anybody hurt, you know?

~Jason

 

has any company that speedway has ripped off (designs from) ever took them to court?
if not..the man clearly believes hes invinceable and that no one has the balls big enough to do it...
thats why he keeps getting away with this kinda ****..

until he has his *** in the wringer..its just going to be business as usual, and nothings ever going to change..
there will always be the uninformed buying from him..and as said before alot of projects sit for many years..they may not know that they have a dangerous or faulty part until its too late to do anything about it..Im sure Mr Bill is banking on alot of his sales being just like that..no recourse..no penalty..no litigation..No problem is the way i think, he sees it

 

Hey I got that book for christmas! That and a Square Bill Sponge Pants dvd...man I love my Grandma and Grandpa...

WoW!...Really what the hell kind of name is Speedy's 9 Super 7?

 

I agree with Ryan that there is nothing wrong with Speedway coming out with a 97 type carb, what I would call a cheaper alternative, in fact it's good for the overall automotive hobby. I think when you look at the carb it is very obvious that they were not going for a restoration quality piece but rather a less expensive version that will suffice for many people. Not everyone cares about 100% originality and just wants to keep an old car running and having fun with it. They obviously weren't going for originality in looks, markings etc, just trying to offer an alternative.
This type of thing happens in the industry all the time. When the first wiring kits came out and then 6 companies copied them did you all cry foul? No many opted for the cheaper versions that looked just like a Painless or whoever. I see many cars on here with intake manifolds that are made in China that are direct knockoffs of Edelbrocks, but no one complaining.
There are tons of posts asking where to get the cheapest whatever part - not who has the best quality or was the original!
none of this is new by any means ~ Pete and Jake got out of the parts business because they didn't like their parts being copied. It's an unfortunate part of the the business. As a manufacturer, you do your best to protect your product and enforce that protection where you can. I really doubt there is any patent infringement wit this carb, it's enough different.
But I do have a problem with the Blatant Packaging copy. If the Stromburg guys did a copyright on the packaging and style I hope they do go after them for that.

 

i would guess that who owns what is left of the Stromberg company really only owns the trademark name Stromberg, and that there are no design patents, speedway i bet did a search and found out just what was owned and what was pantented in the stromberg name, that costs almost nothing to do, if the fellows who are makeing the nice 97 copy carbs bought the tradmark name stromberg and and sold them under that name would they sell anymore?

 

Obviously, we WILL NOT sell these "carburetors". Ever.

I'm not going to put our name and reputation into selling a product that is just not a quality part.

 

"Carburetors"? Indeed!

Whenever we would bang the baffles out of our motorcycle mufflers, we'd call them "muffler replicas"...

They're "Carburetor Replicas".

~Jason

 

You know I don't really dig the idea of copying others hard work but who copied who? Both are not real 97's, don't care what they say on the side. I know I have a problem with both ones over priced ones under built,the first copy you couldn't get. It was like finding hens teeth, yea you can get them now but for how long? Word was dealers are told no discounts and I feel tried to control market. I tried a bunch of guys, all stocked out Yea Yea Yea,partner problems ,in court yea yea yea. We would have been running them awhile ago and would have seen more on the cars. Oh yea didn't they have problems with some issues at first as well?? Bad leaking floats, bad acc pumps etc then get "your" dealers to bash them cheap copys.
Then the other cheaper copy, I had to adjust the one float . Yep I got a couple of them. (so it's not "out of the box" bolt on). The other one seem to work fine and made in China.Yep the carb is rougher built cheaper overall wrong screws,springs, stamping,rivets etc.Now that's it's on the car I have a hard time looking at it, like rattle can chrome , just wrong! Then what's with the art work on the box. A plain white box would have done fine, don't give a hoot what's on the box it's what's inside, so why copy it unless your trying to fool folks? I didn't see it in them new HF catalog yet. Sorry I got a bad taste on both of them now . I'm going to rebuild my old REAL 97's and you'll can have them copys. Now the hard part finding a rebuild kit made in the good old USA !!! HA HA HA good luck.....
Plus alot of good rebuilders willing to do carbs at a good price and you can have the real deal. Littleman said it best rebuild your own and learn yourself. Now who got a good kit?!!

 

You miss the point - if Speedy was just trying to provide another carb like Demon did with their 98, that's fine. Even if he wanted to keep it more original-style than the 98, that's fine too. But to put it into a box that looks damn near the same is a blatant attempt to deceive - like buying a new Rolex only to find out it's a Ralex.