JFK's Lincoln ?

I will give a big second to that motion. Although I have lived less than 50 miles from it,I had never been to the Henry Ford or the Village until my brother and his wife visited us from florida two years ago.

All I can say is I could spend at least a week going through there.The place is absolutely amazing!In addition to the great automotive display,they have a great collection of knives and guns,several airplanes including a copy of the Wright Brothers plane in a setting mimicing the very famous picture of it first flying and a DC-3 suspended from the ceiling that you can walk under and almost touch to the BIGGEST locomotive I've ever seen to one of the crowning touches:Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion HOUSE! I won't even try to describe it other than to say it was built by Beech Aircraft.Go see it for yourself.My only warning:Get there when it opens and prepare to spend the day.

 

I guess I would like to go back again and see it, I haven't set foot in there sense 1982,... last time I was there the DC-3 was sitting outside next to conservation,...... I did the conservation and preservation on the Colt collection, As well as the restoration ( they hate to restore anything, but the wheel lock was more of a prop than a artifact from the actual cottage)To the Wheel Lock rifle in the Coxwald cottage. it's to bad most people can't see what is in storage, ( or at least what was in storage) and the Locomotive is called "The Allegheny"

 

nothing to do with JFK but on the Limo's. Harry S Truman's DeSoto Limo is here in Oregon. there was talk a few years ago about a bigger Hemi and street rodding it. I don't think thats going to happen now.

 

Junkyard Dog was right. Kinda. There was an identical Linc Limo for sale on BJ.........but it belonged to the previous Pope.

Ugly as sin it was.

JFK's brain wasn't lost but his wife almost went over the trunk trying to retrieve the top of his skull.

 

I beg to differ.

The car isn't "full of blood". The back seat was stained dark brown. Red blood turns brown with time.

The person who saw it that told me about it had no reason to make the story up. It was a friend's mother who works for Ford as an engineer. She brought it up one day in a matter of fact conversation about Ford's vast "secret" underground warehouse of cars that she had been made privy to. The JFK car was a side note to the other things she was telling me about that she saw firsthand in Dearborn, underground. The fact that the car was leased by Ford to the White House only seems to bolster the story. I didn't know that at the time of the conversation.

I told her I saw 'the car' at the Henry Ford Museum and the first thing she said was, "nope...that's not the same car!"

I doubted her, and she became defensive...like I was questioning her integrity. She wasn't the type to B/S. About anything. A very straight-laced person.

You can think what you want about the car- but consider this: do you really think they put the original car he was shot in back into service after extensive modifications? Why would they destroy the car that carried the body, but modify and re-use the car that was the actual crime scene? Doesn't make sense to me.

Believe what you want...but I have no reason to discount what I was told. For the record, I tend to be a skeptic on most things. And, very cynical.

 

Hey,

I too, have always had a problem with the story of this vehicle (X-100) being retrofitted and returned to service, in such a short time
frame, if at all. Given the sprit of the times (1963) and the baggage
this vehicle would carry, evidance, bad omen, etc. The findings of
the Warren Report wern't completed in the time frame that the con-
version/retrofit was to have taken place, I don't think, I may well
be wrong. The 200K reported build cost, and the fact that X-100 was
not goverment property, could explane why it did not suffer the same
fate as the poor Pontiac/Superior hearse, at the hands of Bobby and
the cutting torch/crusher. I don't have build figures to back this up,
but I'm bettin' X-100 wasn't the only Lincoln Parade Car built for
Pres./S.S. duty, to that or a close spec., any of which could be the
vehicle/s on display or auction. Who, but a handful of people, living
or dead, really know the answer?

Swankey Devils C.C.

 

My understanding/opinion of the situation is that the "Quick Fix" was done so rapidly for three reasons: one, the simple horror of the situation; two, ballistics & forensic information weren't as nearly a science as they are today (back then there was no such thing as a criminal forensic pathologist, in terms of a formal title-the two doctors who did the autopsy on JFK were not even experienced pathologists, let alone trained in recovering criminal evidence). The facts seemed fairly clear at first, and the car seemed more-or-less irrelevant; much more attention was given to the Book Depository. The windshield was retained as evidence as it was struck by one bullet.

Third, there WERE no other Presidential limousines available at that time- the older ones were retired, with the exception of a 1952 Chrysler Imperial parade car allegedly often used by Jackie Kennedy. It was an open car as well, & too old to re-fit. It was considered very politically important for the new President to show no fear of further attempts of assassination, & therefore LBJ continued to use a limousine as necessary. While the Lincoln was being refitted at Hess & Eisenhardt, LBJ used a Cadillac belonging to & specially fitted for J. Edgar Hoover .

The limousines previously used were a 1950 Lincoln Cosmopolitan (open top) & a late '40s-early '50s Chrysler Crown Imperial closed Derham body limousine. It was retired in 1960.

Pimpin, you are correct; the Warren Commission report was not released until Sept. 24, 1964.

 

That's funny right there . . .

 

The first in our series of car of the dead stars is the SS-100x, it was the secret service name of the Presidential limo that JFK got shot in. Based on a 1961 4 door Lincoln Continental the car was modified to a convertible (probably not a great idea looking back) and also featured an array of high tech gadgets including a radio link back to the White House. The car featured a variety of tops that could be popped on when needed and by the time the car was finished being modified a 1962 grill and bumper assy was fitted to keep the car up to date. Following Kennedy’s assassination the car was modified again returning it to a closed in sedan, but this time with bulletproof armor. The car continued as a presidential limousine until 1967 and was finally retired from goverment service in 1978 to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan.
The Henry Ford Museum Website
http://www.hfmgv.org/

 

....... And that's where the car sits today along with alot of other great stuff.. ROAD TRIP!! So who's game??

 

It wasn't put back into service contrary to popular belief. It was retained as evidence in the assignation if that is the car we are talking about. The car was a pariah no one would have wanted anything to do with it even if they did want to put it back into service.

There have been a lot of stories about it going around for a very long time. Like bought by a Texas oil man, Micheal Jackson owned it etc.

I did hear recently that it was found in a warehouse in Texas and auctioned by Barret Jackson. I doubt that was true either. But folks will believe about anything. Even that it was retained as evidence in the assaination of a president.

Now I have posted on this thread and probably shouldn't have just because of one simple premise although interesting this has absolutely nothing to do with traditional hot rods and customs.

Sorry Ryan I just got caught up in the BS.

 

I'm with you on this one. I would think they would have at least had record of keeping the interior(or what was done with it.).

They keep the operating room but not the interior of the car???

The "official gov report" told us what to believe and we know that they always tell the truth.

 

Now I have posted on this thread and probably shouldn't have just because of one simple premise although interesting this has absolutely nothing to do with traditional hot rods and customs.

Sorry Ryan I just got caught up in the BS.[/QUOTE]


I would say this is one of the most custom cars on the street in the early 60's. $200,000k to build this car. How much was spent on the Ala Kart.

 

I always wanted that car for myself, but hey, my name is John Kennedy!

 

Hey,

Stay out of Dallas.......................that's all I'm sayin'!



" The ice cream truck in his neighborhood plays Helter-Skelter "

 

Anybody else notice some newbie revived a thread from 2007 by copying the text off some other website and posting it?


Nothing would surprise me, Ford being Ford it would have been easy for them to substitute a different car and pass it off as the same one, and stash the original in a vault someplace.

 

If I was the prez I wouldn't want to ride in that car...the bloody basement car could be bs but if it was true it wouldn't surprise me. Also wouldn't surprise me if after the investigation was complete they just crushed it....

 

What you hear was wrong. My uncle worked for Ford Motor Co. up until the 1980's. He was there when the blood stained Lincoln was returned to Fords. He helped getting the Linocln loaded to be cleaned. He said it was covered in blood and other parts and it was the worst thing he had seen since WWII. My uncle will turn 90 this year and has done a lot of things for Fords during his time with them.
Yes the Lincoln chair is on display in the museum. A lot of people are confused when they see it, because they think the staining on the back of the chair is blood. It is not blood, but Hair cream stains.
I live about 2 miles from the museum and have a year pass for it.
One more thing, the Lincoln has the plastic bubble top on it like it was suppose to have on in Houston, but Kennedy did not like it. He wanted the people to see him clearly and so he could wave to the people also. If anyone one wants prove of want I am tell you, just let me know and I will prove it to you.
George

 

Trivia: anyone know the nickname of the 50s Cadillac carrying the Secret Service personnel that tailed the Presidential limo??

 

Queen Mary
George

 

I like Hot Rods!!!!

 

Like him or not, Henry Ford was way ahead of everyone when it came to vision and importance of historical things. He bought the entire wright bros bicycle shop and had it moved to its current location, nail and board. when he bought it, nobody cared. he saw how significant it was. he also has rosa park's bus from alabama, the gt-40 that won lemans, a deuce roadster with an early hemi ( on the back side of the museum ) the goldenrod landspeed car, thomas edisons workshop, the first flathead, planes, trains and automobiles of all sorts. This place is so significant that gm, chrysler, and other manufacturers donate vehicles and items to them. I am a bit biased about the place because henry's name is on top of my check every friday, but it is a place worth a weekend road trip! just go when it is warm. it is cold as anything in winter. fivefochevy

 

Man I was there two weeks ago and walked around that car 4 times and it gave me the chills !! Golden Rod was my favorite car and Ohio Georges wiilys

 

Halfback.

 

Me too Royal Shifter, but this one sucked me in

I love the H.A.M.B

 

An older gentleman that does custom upholstery and who also did the interior of my roadster told me he personally redid the interior of the JFK death car when he worked for a shop back in the day. He told me he didn't know what happened to the stained material he removed.
interesting story.

 

Not a presidential Lincoln, but a Kennedy family Lincoln convertible is in the museum that was once Nelson Rockefeller's private parking garage in Arkansas

 

The assassination car absolutely still exists - has NOT been cleaned up and is indeed located in a secure location at the Ford Museum compound. It will NEVER be cleaned up, and it may go on display after a period of time (fifty years is being bandied about).

dj

 

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