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Kingpin installation in TCI spindles?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by jettwein, Sep 2, 2005.

  1. jettwein
    Joined: Apr 17, 2005
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    I found some old posts about this, but no real clear answer seemed to be in any of them... how do all these parts go together for this magnum axle and TCI spindles I bought go together? Parts included in the kingpin kit are as follows:

    (2) sorta washer-looking things, with flanges around the sides, like a little cup/cap, like the kingpin/bushing washer on a skateboard truck
    (2) felt "washers"
    (2) kingpins (duh)
    (2) small assemblies that look like a retention pin of some sort, a tapered bolt, lock washer and nut
    (2) *very* thin shims on a malinated card
    (2) bearings

    I assume that the bearings go on the side that carries the load, the bottom, between the spindle and the axle, that the pins go through the hole in the axle with the little keyway in the slot on the kingpin. Correct?

    The big question is... where do the felt and cap washer go? On top of the axle, held down by the top flange of the kingpin, or on the very bottom to keep the grease from squeezing out of the bearing from the grease fitting?

    Oh yeah, and does the nut on the kingpin retention bolt go in front of or behind the axle? I have heard this acts as a steering stop, but not sure what way it goes...

    I'm sure someone here has a definitive answer on this...
     
  2. the felt washer and cap go on top of the axle , held in place by the king pin top

    the nut on the king pin retainer goes on the back..axle stops go on the thread in place of the nut if you use them
     
  3. alchemy
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    Bearing goes under axle, but make sure opening points down so no water gets in. Thin shims go under bearing to take up slop.

    I think the kingpin retainers can face either front or back, since the axle and spindles should be the same front-or-back. But, sometimes disc brake kits or steering arms will dictate one way or another. Henry put them in from the front, and the nut went on the back.
     
  4. This pic may help.

    Note the gap at the very top, that's for the felt ring.
    Since this is a pre-assembly or mockup I didn't install it.

    Swat the kingpin retaining bolt in with a hammer.
    One blow from a soft hammer - brass etc. - ought to do it.
    You just want to seat it and not get nutso with driving it in.
    You don't have to do the hammer bit until final assembly.
     

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  5. Here's another pic that may help.

    Note that steering stop nuts from some sources can be overly long and limit travel thereby shortening turning radius.

    The usual length for most stop nuts found nowadays is 1 1/4" for the nut and 1/8" for the hardened AN style washer.
    Making for an overall length of 1 3/8".
    That will give you the right amount of turning radius in most cases and also stop the steering box from bottoming out on the internal stops.
    Having the steering box hit the internal stops leads to damage not too far down the road.

    If your stopnuts are 1 5/8" or so, don't get excited about cutting them down until after the car is running and you can do it 1/8" at a time.
    I did that with my 32 and it's length is 1 3/8" overall including the 1/8" thick AN style washer.
    The length of your stopnuts is dependent on the brakes you're using.

    You can make perfectly good stop nuts from a couple of Chevy stainless mag wheel lug nuts.
    They're 7/16-20 as is the standard stop nut so all you have to do there is cut them down.

    The pic shows a commercially available stop nut.
     

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  6. muffman58
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    Have the kingpins already been fitted to the spindle bushings? This is a crucial fit & must be reamed to fit.
     
  7. jettwein
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    Yep, took 'em in and had 'em reamed. Nice and snug. Thanks for all the help on this, guys... I got it all together now, and it's looking good. Starting to look like a car finally!


     
  8. muffman58
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    Hey C9 what kindda calipers are those? I have the same basic setup except my calipers have bleeders on top & brake line at bottom [ 82 camaro calipers on Aspen rotors]. I think your setup [ calipers ] would set my braided lines at a better angle.
     

  9. You talking about the yellow ones?
    Or the unpainted ones on my 31?


    If you're talking about the brakes on the 31:
    Rotors:
    GM part number EIS #D5214

    70-78 Camaro

    73-77 Chevelle

    73-77 Monte Carlo

    73-77 Malibu

    75-78 Nova

    73-77 Buick Regal

    73-77 Buick Century

    73-78 Buick Skylark

    73-77 Olds Cutlass

    70-78 Firebird

    73-77 Grand Prix

    73-77 Le Mans

    73-77 Tempest

    73-77 GTO

    Calipers:

    78-85 Buick Regal

    82-84 Camaro

    78-85 Chevelle

    78-85 Monte Carlo

    78-85 El Camino

    78-85 Malibu

    78-85 Cutlass

    78-85 F-85

    78-84 Grand Prix

    82-84 Bonneville

    82-84 Firebird

    78-81 GTO

    78-81 Le Mans

    78-81 Tempest

    Additional parts required are the spindle nut, tabbed washer and bearing dust cover.


    Here's a not very good rear view of the 31's brakes.

    And another view of same.
     

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  13. InDaShop
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    from Houston

  14. I don't know what the yellow caliper is.
    I may be able to find out.
    I just used the pic to illustrate the kingpin steering stop nut.




     

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