kirban 2 cents worth I been told about this forum by several customers of ours. Lets start by testing the knowledge of the readers. Hurst as many of you are aware was the big gun in the shifter business for many years located in the eastern area of Pennsylvania. What was the name of the other aftermarket company that also tried its hand at shifters that was located not far from Hurst? Clue: They made their mark with another custom product that died a slow death in the 1960s..... the clock is ticking denniskirban@yahoo.com