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Ladder frame with flat rails and car long X-braces?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by oldandnew, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. oldandnew
    Joined: Nov 15, 2012
    Posts: 16

    oldandnew
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    from FL

    What would be the benefits and drawbacks of making a ladder frame using flat rails instead of humped rails at the wheels, and welding X-braces from wheel to wheel instead of cabin area x-braces?

    Something like this

    Standard 53 vette frame
    [​IMG]

    And the proposed simpler frame in red
    [​IMG]

    The wheel arch humps would pose no problem bolting the suspension.

    But I guess that, while the frame would have an exceptional torsional and bending stiffness, it might be unsafe in a crash as (I believe) the angled or curved rail humps fold themselves in a crash, kind of crumple zones.
    Adding x braces to these areas might make them even stiffer in a crash.

    Comments?
     
  2. HOTRODPRIMER
    Joined: Jan 3, 2003
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    HOTRODPRIMER
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    If the suspension is going to move the axles will hit the frame when you hit a bump. HRP
     
  3. F&J
    Joined: Apr 5, 2007
    Posts: 13,291

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    Frame does not mean much in a wicked crash, because of how these old cars are designed with fenders and front sheetmetal that really doesn't tie it all together like a unibody type strength.

    Semi modern cars that still had frames with front kicks; those kicks help absorb momentum forces, while they fold up.

    PS, a ladder frame is two rails with 90 degree crossmembers, very popular on cars until 32 or so as far as production costs.
     
  4. Hackerbilt
    Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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    What are the plans for this ch***is? People would need to know the intended use before they can comment on the advantages or disadvantages.
     
  5. Rickybop
    Joined: May 23, 2008
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    Forget about crash issues. You won't crash a car you can't drive...

    ...because there's no room for the engine and transmission.
     
  6. stimpy
    Joined: Apr 16, 2006
    Posts: 3,546

    stimpy

    with all the drive train above or below the frame its going to look like a lifted 4x4
     
  7. RichFox
    Joined: Dec 3, 2006
    Posts: 10,020

    RichFox
    Member Emeritus

    Lots of frames have been made OEM and homemade with straight rails. Works fine if the rest of the car goes with that.. As Rickybob points out, with your X member I have no idea how you would install the engine/transmission.
     

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