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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. banjeaux bob
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  2. ebtm3
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    Tried to order a copy-
    book 12.5 BPS ---shipping 19.50 BPS --Not his fault, or under his control I know--but--

    also Paypal kicked the order back, saying that they did not transfer funds to the country sent to---(England)--which is a crock.

    WTF?

    Herb
     
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  3. banjeaux bob
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    Herb,postage from here to England is outregeous as well.

    Did you look at booksellers here,like Powells in Portland?

    Bob
     
  4. gnichols
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    New to me, and I've been going crazy for the last hour trying to find out more about it, is the Aprilla / Bugatti replica (TH35) that popped up in photos of a Swedish car show this AM. Anyone know more? I also found 3 interesting videos. I just HAVE to get a set of these wheels!! Help! Gary

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=687777&highlight=th35

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu8P9lrdcmk
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2PAztsgsgg&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnRHaCXc0Q&feature=relmfu


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  5. ebtm3
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    Did you look at booksellers here,like Powells in Portland?

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    Yes Bob, and several other old book vendors with no luck.

    Herb
     
  6. noboD
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    Herb, do you think it's the company's high shipping cost? Or does it just cost that much to get stuff here? Would it be any better if a few of us went together and ordered shipped to one place?
     
  7. ebtm3
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    Doug-- I looked through his site- and there is a section where you can select the currency that you want to pay with and US dollars are not listed!

    The high shipping is due to postage, I'm sure--but it would seem that he has something against Yanks.

    I did find this link there--it's in French unfortunately- http://tozprod.free.fr/bedelia/accueil.htm


    Herb
     
  8. The37Kid
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    Thank you for the link, having the pleasure of working on real Bugattis in the past, I can't say that car does anything for me. Bob
     
  9. Ned Ludd
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    It's a pity it's in a sense skin-deep. The replica approximates the look-and-feel aspects without really taking in the concept of the Type 35, what with the space frame and independent suspension. I'm really looking at rehabilitating the engineering concept of the generic Vintage car, and it doesn't look as if anyone is going to beat me to it!

    I agree about the wheels, though; though they'd be better still with MGB-format knock-off hubs.
     
  10. Brooky
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    How would it be if I ordered however many copies you guys want of this little book and posted them off to you privately? I'd need to find out a postage cost but I feel sure it would be less than the £19.50 quoted on the website. I can get one for £17.49 including postage. I'll dig my copy out and get a postage cost. If it's reasonable and you guys want to go for it you can re-imburse me via Paypal.

    Brooky.

    Brooky.
     
  11. Ned Ludd
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    I'd definitely be interested, Brooky. Could you find out what postage would be to South Africa?
     
  12. banjeaux bob
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    Brooky,I'm in for one.

    Bob
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  13. banjeaux bob
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    I don't think it matters what envelope you put the heart of the machine into.I like the engineering aspect of it.I like the use of the Aprilla engine and the a-arm suspension.

    What would be the best,in my opinion,would be to make a body of it's own.Or,use a vintage shell of any sort.

    I agree with Bob there isn't anything like a real Bugatti.Not that I have any first hand experience.
     
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  15. gnichols
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    I really like the car, regardless of the body. It's the spirit of the build I guess, and the fact that it has a bike engine. As for the wheels, evidently they are narrowed Audi OEM items. I've been looking for something like that for a long time, for larger diameter (17-20") but narrow mags that are light but have the look of wood spoke wheels in some way. Later, Gary
     
  16. banjeaux bob
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    photo by Graham Little
     

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    Oulton Park 1989.Image by Graham Little.
     

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  19. Bigcheese327
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    There's a Spacke cyclecar engine on eBay right now. Neat piece. I wonder how much it will go for.
     
  20. Dale Davenport
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    I love it - - - but what the heck is it?

    (I'm guessing "home-brewed" - - - how correct am I?)

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  21. Ned Ludd
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    I'd say home-brewed as well, and moreover Edwardian and with competitive use in mind. The single seat, space frame, lack of road equipment, and rather nautical approach to elementary streamlining suggest as much. Note the lack of rear suspension. Is the thing riding on the rear sprocket a differential?

    The space frame would have been about achieving simple beam strength (albeit without triangulation) using bicycle-type construction rather than about torsional rigidity, the significance of which was not understood at that time. Either way, the depth of the structure precludes the sort of configurability that was expected of non-competition chassis.
     
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  22. Dale Davenport
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    Sure looks as if it could be a differential - - -

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    Hi ... I love this site.... reminds me of when I was a kid building cars "photo above" like this to drive in the paddocks...
     
  24. ebtm3
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    But if it was built for competition --plausible--why the horn?

    Psych the other participants with "get outa my way"?

    Herb
     
  25. gnichols
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    Back in the day, the horn was the Autobahn high beam flasher! Gary
     
  26. Ned Ludd
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    I don't mean the Edwardian version of Formula 1, rather something more local and informal. The horn could just be a personal quirk of the kind found in that sort of racing. Lucky horn?
     
  27. Dale Davenport
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    Could it be possible the Cyclecar wasn't completely finished when the photo was taken? Perhaps a body and other amenities were still to be added (and would then go along with the horn to make a more "finished" vehicle).

    Ya also gotta wonder about the seat - - - sort of looks like the car's builder upholstered a farm implement seat.


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  28. Dale Davenport
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    The various Bugatti mentions reminded me of a Bugatti owned by one of my best friends when we were in College more than a half century ago. The car was said to be a Type 23 Brescia (Modifie?), and at some point in its life had sort of been re-bodied.

    After College my friend and I lost touch and I've wondered through the years what ever became of his Bugatti - - - and of his passion for its restoration.

    (Please excuse the quality of these photos - - budget photography was a whole different thing in the late 1950's - early 1960s.)

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  29. Ned Ludd
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    That could well be. Perhaps the purpose of the exercise was not so much to go racing as to pretend to go racing (or at least to hope to go racing some day) ...

    Cool Bug, by the way. Four-cylinder Bugattis are to my mind underappreciated. Is that indeed a Brescia (16-valve head), though? And I wonder how well that single SU (H4?) worked as a downdraught!
     
  30. Dale Davenport
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    Dunno if or not it was indeed a "Brescia." That was my friends claim though. I only witnessed it running a couple of times. Impressive noises and quick RPM pickup too if my more-than-half-century old memories are intact and accurate.

    I'd imagine how well the "SU" worked would have depended in some measure on how "stock" it was. I don't recall it drooling a lot so perhaps it'd been modded to some degree.

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