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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 3w Hank, Aug 26, 2023.

  1. 3w Hank
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    7251DD0A-97A7-417C-838C-B2A4C4684D8C.jpeg I has the Lincoln 42 brakes that has the medium deep backing plates.
    Its decent complete and drums is st rear lathed but std diameter in fronts.
    Shoes looks fine and I got all other stuff but one plate between the brake shoes is missing.
    Its the one seen on picture with a spring on. Don’t know if its the same on both sides.

    On the cylinders I has 3 of them but 2 is decent inside and Made in USA but the 3’d has a Lockhead logo but its bad.
    -Yes I know its better get 4 new cylinders but on this car it should be nice has old stuff even inside the brakes. I try avoid as much new stuff made in China here.

    One told me I can sleeve a cylinder ( he mentioned stainless ) I dont know if that is best seal to a rubber lip, but I could use better steel or cast iron.
    I has a machineshop so its possible and this car everything is old and need overhaul in some ways ( but thats a part of the idea or the hobby - on this car )

    Who can has Lincoln old stuff ( missing parts ) as example made in USA cylinders. And sell pistons/seals etc.
    ( And if sleeve it, ideas on that.
     

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  2. They are the same on both sides. Possibly common to a lot of newer Fords too. Easy enough to make of meld 2 other donor brackets into 1.

    The name is parking brake equalizer bar. I'd hit eBay, I find loads of old Ford parts there.
     
  3. 3w Hank
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    Ok I check there.
    Best is to find someone do this brakes.

    Cylinder diameter is 1”.
    Never pistonkit sold to hone and go overbore ?
    Guess limited market now...

    The Lockhead is wider and also 1.1/8” diameter.
     

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  4. 3w Hank
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    6296C6A5-E78C-4AE6-B2BB-FC26E11C57E4.jpeg The brake equalizer bar cant be the same on both sides.
    Saw a picture.
    That bend wil need go down, otherwise it hit the spring.

    Question ;
    Does anyone knows if the front cylinder is bigger/wider than the rear cylinder ?
     
  5. Does anyone knows if the front cylinder is bigger/wider than the rear cylinder ?

    The front wheel cylinder size is 1 1/8" diameter, and the Raybestos part # is 9340 and 9341 and I use Raybestos front hose 6560 on my 1932 Ford.

    I also use 17509, and 17510 Raybestos rear wheel cylinders which are 15/16"diameter, but are not fitted to Lincoln Backing Plates.
     
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  6. 3w Hank
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    Thanks on info.
    But my plan is to sleeve the old cylinders ) just as I can and I ’has’ the cylinders.
    But as I bought them complete but seller sold them in parts and he dont know and not me either.
    But I had 2 of the 1” and 2 of the 1.1/8” but whats confuse me is the bigger ones is wider to.

    I also need get new seals and en rubber covers, who sell this parts ?
     
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    I think they use the same brake equalizer bar into the 1960s
     
  8. 3w Hank
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    Any ideas where to get new seals etc ?

    Seller promise me that brake bar but so far I has not get one.
    The old story, get what you pay for - walk away as more easy that way.

    I’m from Sweden so do I need get a ticket to LA and the ex V8 Garage to get info/parts as I cant reach them on mail or phone.
    But will be vey expensive brakes since USD now is twice what it should be ( converted to SEK )
    I payed 27.000 SEK for this kit ( now ) = 2.500 USD.
    Thats 625 USD at each tire for old used not comple stuff but it was decent pats not that rusted but it need work.
    Some of this guys here in Sweden ( who has stuff ) really know the price.
     
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  9. Raybestos WK21 & WK-36 wheel cylinder kits.

    You can get complete wheel cylinders for a couple dollars more and use the pistons too if yours are corroded or scored.

    Stainless steel is commonly used to sleeve the bores; brass too; but don't hear about that much anymore.
     
  10. 3w Hank
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    Great, thanks.
    I will use SS sleeve.
    I has the cylinders correct, 1" rear and 1.125" front. The old ones is wider than the new production 1.125" if I got it correct.
    I plan to use a 39 Ford 1 line master cylinder.
    Brake guy told me it should be a 1" or +1" diametr to this brakes for a hot-rod.
    He said the 1 line work much better than a modern 2 line.

    Now I need to find one in Sweden that can cardmide bolts.
     
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  11. Lincoln used 1-1/16" bore master, same one as '39-'48 Ford and Merc.

    1" bore would work, little less effort; but with increased pedal travel. Not sure you are going to be able to locate a 3 bolt 1" bore master, tho.
     
  12. 3w Hank
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    Rich B,
    Ok it will be fine I has found one 1939 Ford today.
    -But a 3-bolt, do it matter how I bolt it on ? ( or you might mean another thing.
    Heard V8 Garage had a kit to std 32 frame and a master cylinder.
     
  13. I was referring to the mounting flange on early Ford master cylinder; but if you are going use a V/8 Garage bracket (or make something similar) I guess the mounting flange wouldn't matter.

    Early Ford master.jpg
     
  14. 3w Hank
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    4B20837E-4BD9-46AB-8D5E-4C246BB4EFAE.jpeg Nice std USD made parts from the 40’s ( correct )
    Found the Raybestos parts ( # 21/ #36 )

    This cylinders are decent in the ends but the brake guy here said it was rusted in mid and it must be nice there.
    Can’t get it, its no seal going there ?
     

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