Lincoln V12 engine needs a car build around it

Thank you for the photoshop and this! And yeah, the issue is the rear wheels need to move back from the seating area which leaves a lot of bad options appearance wise. Keep the long nose or even make it longer to maintain proportions? Then wheelbase.....how long to go in the interest of looks, for performance the front wheels want to follow the rears wheels back, keep them forward and they have very little weight on them. Wheels/tires, I sketched what would be 27" OD tires thinking 20x12 rear, 20x8 front thinking that is about right width balance give the expected rear weight bias.....300hp doesn't need 12s but....looks. I hadn't really thought a ton about the wheel style.....yeah spokes are likely the "right" choice for a 30s look but my heart is saying something very much like the " spoked" audi wheels below would look good if maybe not correct.

A buddy pointed out the rear fenders in particular are an issue....they endup above the body which is maybe an odd look and more something you see in the ratrod genre where everything is slammed. I'm pondering back tracking on the cool modern engine mods and just putting the blower on top and carbs on top of that so the rear deck needs a big hump at the least to cover it and that will get the body profile taller than the fender. and give a good way to pull air in to cool everything a bit...but then 300hp is maybe a stretch goal unless I can find E85.

Then @Ned Ludd makes the excellent point...what the heck is it supposed to be?....I was kind of hoping I'd know it when I saw it but hope is not a plan I want to play a bit with pointing the project in this direction as inspiration

https://classicmotorsports.com/cars...s-prototype-race-car-2011-r18-tdi-ultra-lmp1/

My thought is that design has come nearly full circle...big wheels in the corners, fenders mostly separate from the body, teardrop shapes......I'm trying and so far failing to wrap my head around what a 30s version of this type car looks like

 

I rather feel like modern wheels, as per the Audi racer you show, kind of make the vintage engine slightly less relevant.

Reminded me...yes, again... of the Audi Rosemeyer concept. The wheels on this seem like a good modern/vintage style mix, with something of the style of the Bugatti type 35 alloys.

 

A full-on Photoshop seemed a bit excessive for an idea which is really tangential to your thinking, so a very rough pencil sketch will have to do:

 

You might like this Dawie.... https://theflyingkestrel.com/

 

I've seen that!

My only beef is the location of the front axle, which offends against a principle often emphasised on the HAMB.

And 900bhp out of a Riley "16" four, with its turbocharger blowing through a pair of SUs, would have excited me much more than that Audi — 5-cylinder noises notwithstanding.

 

If you are partial to Audi and are building a rear engine car. your main inspiration has got to be these.
https://dyler.com/blog/337/the-detective-story-of-how-three-unique-auto-union-racers-were-found
Here's one picture from the article. I know you are talking birdcage, not main rails, but it's still packaging a human and a V12 and transaxle.

 

Construction of all these body styles is mind blowing. Think lotus 7 style, especially fenders.

 

I thought engine with blower/turbo was prime piece to show, not the body

 

Let me think on that......its true of course, no question there but the thinking comes in how much I want to be authentic and how much hotrdding is allowed. Like, slide f/r wings in the design if I round the ends like a wwII fighter? The wheel pods are aircraft like so maybe right? Same on the bottom....can I take some liberty so the running boards become part of a larger a ground effects package?

I really don't know what I'm doing it seems....I know its not right yet but I'm really struggling with what exactly is wrong and how to fix it.

 

Ha! Pod fenders sitting above the body line and what sure looks like a front wing

 

I’m not sure if this helps or hurts but I’ve always been a fan of the 1936 Auto Union Type C. Maybe add some fenders to this design and work from there? And nothing is cooler than dual rear spoke wheels!

 

@Adriatic Machine - it helpd define what I DON"T what to built

That auto union car kind of set the stage for what a grand prix car is....can you imaging how fast it would have been had they not been pulling intake air for the low pressure behind the car? (I just noticed where the engine air inlet is) . I think the 6 tires also explains exactly why early mid-engine stuff was so rare....tire technology just wasn't there to deal with a fat a$$

To me, the roundness is car makers copying airplanes and not understanding cars are not airplanes are we do not want them to fly. For sure the proportions are what you get with this layout but the era is kind of known for long hoods....hence my strugles with the project so far.

 

Lol ok I’ll just keep lurking while your vision evolves.

Are you rethinking the custom connecting rods / shortblock mods or just keeping the fuel & ignition old school?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammback
is in the time frame, which points to Automotive Aerodynamics.
That article is very much modern stuff.

 

Just the fuel and blower bit.....if I want to add height a roots blower and carbs will add....12" on top vs efi and a side/low mounted setup? it will still need a solid short block and the more flow there is the less boost I need.

I got of my last call of the day a few minutes ago and I'm trying to figure-out what to draw......there are so many ideas that have been shared and all of then, even the auto union, have elements I like/appreciate. I have at least a few months I can spend planning until the the car from hell is running again and I can actually start building this....side note way back I thought making this badge was kinda funny


The car is a quattrovalvole, and I realized gemmelocattivo was the same number of letters so I made a badge in kind of the same size and font.....but it roughly means "evil twin" which I thought funny given the hp bump and how hard I worked to keep it all looking kind of stock......but its taken the evil bit to heart I fear and the project just refuses to die.

 

How's that?

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/baddest-movie-car-of-all-time.82225/page-23

front view

By the time the front of the fenders drooped down, the radiator shells up front were more stylized.
I could even see the seating forward and a cut down entry following the back of the front fender.

P.S. I don't know what's going on on the back!
EDIT: Since you didn't hate it, here's more.
https://www.autoroundup.com/vehicle...-most-iconic-hollywood-cars-article-1487.aspx

 

Oh I hate the car (for this project), but I love the observation about grill shape following fender shape.

The Bugatti t57 kind of disagrees but support for me softening the grill and still calling it a period correct element is very helpful

 

https://500sec.com/rear-engine-mercedes-benz-vehicles-of-the-1930s/

https://goldeneravibes.com/most-prestigious-cars-from-the-nineteen-thirties/
More just to perhaps tickle something out.

 

first this thing must be enormous or that is a really well proportioned midget


I've always like the auburn


and this grill is also something that could work


last the bmw 328 is basically the only car ms copilot ever "created" for me...over and over and over

 

Enormous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Royale

 

I pulled and stretched the Mercedes W154 around and added some just-about-1940s Halibrands. Wheelbase is probably off.

 

@James D ...thats kind of interesting. For whatever reason the fender shapes look better, to the point of "yes, I think so" sitting next to the other changes you make

I did a little work on the tail, less pointy now and thought the exhaust exit there helps it makes sense ala F1 car since inspiration is coming from grad prix. Mostly I'm learning how to get the software to do what I want, I don't normally draw this kind of stuff. Next I was headed to the nose to do a bit of what you just did. I thnk so flatness to the top of the grill and hood though......maybe not.....but I"m trying to picture the flatter sides of most stuff and the flatness of modern prototype cars....

 

That's a bit better in the body....time to get after the fenders

 

holy ... carb! I have nothing to contribute other than that I´m gonna sit back and watch.
This is gonna be good!

 

I'll call this rev2. I need to think a little bit now......

 

and rear. Sitting here with a drink poured (ok it was a straight to the rocks moment) I'm thinking the corves in front cut away the place the upper a-arm should mount....I'll need to fix that in rev3

 

Does it HAVE to have a windshield? That's the only thing that looks out of place to me. Not that my opinion matters.

 

So, the first comment over on grassroots was

and honestly, looking at it, you're both right. I'll need to think about it.....

 

I’ve always been fond of the boat style windshield. Two pieces of flat glass and three heavily raked stanchions, flanked by a pair of wind windows, one on each side. Extra points for using aircraft solid rivet type construction, there’s a lot of room for creativity.

Yea I know I’m beating a dead horse with the aviation references.