Can someone give me some info on Candy paint jobs?I have heard that they fade.How long does a candy job last?My car would be driven a lot in the summer put away the rest of the rainy year.I am thinking about brandywine.Thanks. E.
With modern base/clear it will not fade as the uv protection is in the clear. To get the brandywine candy (or kandy) you will first spray a base color, then the transparent candy, then top coat with a clear. Your paint job will hold up just like any other paint job, nothing to worry about.
Well....that ain't 100% true (not tryin to piss on your shoes, Rusty) My lead tech did his Harley a few yrs ago---HOK gold base, Wild cherry candy, PPG 2021 clear. His first candy job, and he was real proud of it!Faded about the equivalent of one, maybe two coats over a period of two years And this bike was garaged! Only way we knew it was happeneing was by removing the seat--then it was REAL obvious
i had a car that was HOK candy oriental blue over black pearl and it held up for about 17 years,before it got so mottled looking i had to change it.
Not saying you're wrong, but I guess I have not had any real problems, yet, but I don't use 2021 either, I use HOK over candy jobs.
I'd think twice before shooting true candy. House of Kolor has some bases that look VERY close to true candy, plus you can touch them up if and when if gets stone-chipped, dinged or wrecked. Finding a painter that can match true candy is like finding the Loc Ness monster, everybody claims to have seen it, but nobody has any proof...
i've done a lot of my engine parts in candy over polished aluminum, and it still looks good but if it chips,you have to strip the part and redo the entire thing.
I agree with Zookeeper, find a close match in a base. Kandy is a high maintainence paint job and nearly impossible to touch-up.
I have heard that the secret to preventing fade is to use the HOK clear, it has more UV protection than the PPG or most others.
I have done it! Many around here have seen it in person. I re-did the hood on a pale yellow 62 Galaxy that has kandy faded flames painted by Jon himself many moons ago. There was a carb fire that ruined the hood and I had to match it to the rest of the car. owner was extremely satisfied.
Most paint lines have a quality clear but most people just use a refinish grade clear like PPG 2021. When doing custom work you should always use a high end clear.
when doing any work , not just custom work, you should always use the same brand clear as the base, or else you run the risk of getting a job that won't last. you shouldn't really mis-match materials for the sake of saving a few bucks. remember all the work ya did to get it ready for a shiny paint job, why scimp on the most important part of the job. i've never seen hok fade if applied correctly and yes it can be blended for repairs, it's just not as easy as a reguler base job.
Damn, then I know exactly where ol Nessy is. A candy job isn't more prone to fading than any other job. 100% of the UV protection is in the clear. Certain pigments in certain colors will fade faster, but the better the clear you use, the less whats underneath is beaten down. When you do candy work, everything that is important in a regular job goes up tenfold. It can be touched up, it can be on a daily driver, it just needs to be taken care of. That being said, NOTHING looks like a true candy job. The HOK basecoat candies are nice, but put it next to a true candy job and youll see the difference.
I didn't mean it was impossible, just that 99.9% of painters can't do it. I've seen Jon's vids and I KNOW he can do it. Now I know you can too, and for that you have my respect. I wish I were that good, but then, doesn't everyone?
The old candies were prone to fading, especially the reds, but then again, most of the old lacquers did, as well. Some of the old nitro candines wouldn't last a year in the sun! The newer stuff is so much better, you will get years of great looks before the color fades. My 55Olds was done in 87, and sat outside for a couple years, besides it's usuall "cruise season" duty. The Candy Cobalt Blue did fade a bit on the hood, but I didn't put a lot of candy on it to begin with...I wanted a brilliant blue, not dark. The less coats you do, the quicker it might fade. Even WITH HOK's UV protected clear. Add me to the "can blend a real Candy paint job" club. Been doing it for over 20 years, and lots of bad things can happen to your paint jobs that you have to fix!
I had my old truck (daily driver) painted with candy flames. At the time I didn't have a garage to keep it in, so it was expoxed to everything for 2-3 years without a problem. I had absolutely NO fading. I used RM Diamont cleat over HOK colors, worked like a champ (but I am partial to RM/Diamont). With the newer products you shouldn't have a problem. We normally get some pretty brutal summers here in Texas, and like I said the truck never saw a garage and had absolutely NO problems.
House of Color has some great material... Everyone has their version of "right" techniques but I'd listen to an old timer who is up with new materials these days..Like with any other paint job...you have to take care of it.
Thats who I was referring to, lol. ( I was figuring you'd chime in sooner or later.) I'm not quite there yet.
the best way to do a candy is by using a urethane candy over using a basecoat candy. house of kolor uk kandies are about the only ones out there. there are a few but not like hok. the candy itself needs be dark to help prevent fading. if u use a kandy light, it will fade easier. the urethane kandies come in a clear style carrier. each coat adds uv protection along with more depth then a basecoat candy. not to mention a stronger paint film, because the basecoat will be the weak link. another reason y hok recommeds using the metallic sealer and skipping the basecoat silver all together. and hok has some of if not the best uv protection because the use twice as much uv ingredients. not to mention they warrantee their kandy jobs up to 15mils when most companies will only go to 10. by using hok all the way through u can get a great kandy that will last for years. if u want a kandy that doesnt fade much at all, use pagan gold lol.
are u talking about kandy mixed with sg100 or intercoat clear? or a hok kbc color? cuz there are 3 options. a hok kbc(which they call kandybasecoat) which is a pearl mixed with a kandy color that give u basecoat that mimics a candy. its easier to spray, and easier to touch up. it gets a kandy look from the kandy koncentrate mixed in that actually bleeds a little into the clear (which its designed to do ) to help mimic a kandy. the other 2 are true kandies. a urethane kandy (kandy mixed in a catalyzed clear carrier) and a basecoat kandy (mixed in a basecoat blender/intercoat clear) and it talked about the advantages in the other post of using a catalyzed candy over the basecoat kind. i pretty much only do custom paint,( everyonce in awhile i will do a stock color blend or something) so if u have any questions about any custom paint line whether it be house of kolor, sem, xcotic, auto air, kustom shop,alsa and others, feel free to pm. ive pretty muched used all their products
Don't slam me for the new ride, it WAS my daily until the kids arrived (it was only a 2 seater. Miss that truck It was HOK KBC Pagan Gold over Orion Silver base with Diamont clear. It doesn't show in the pics, but that **** looked a mile deep in the sun
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