lowering a '50 ford car with MOOG CC850 coils

Just for the record this front end is in a 38' ford truck, old hot rod from way back and guys i just received my new coils yesterday, Moog CC850 Variable load ones and was wondering if you guys that have installed these in your fords did you install them with flattened end down or up? As per instructions it states "flattened end up for variable coil load" anything to this since these were originally for a Aerostar van. Are you just disconecting the lower A-arm at spindle for this swap? thanks,

 

anyone?

 

amazing! all the shoebox fords here and nobody has a clue?

 

That's how I did mine


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I guess this thread will help you:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=737487&highlight=shoebox

 

A 50' car is very long. Even a 38' car is very long. I would think lowering any vehicle that long would be asking for trouble over the slightest bump or dip.

 

How would the spring know what orientation it was installed in? It is just a ***** piece of metal.

Put them in how they fit best.

 

the reason is their was install instructions in the box with the springs that states these are variable rate springs and close coil end should be installed upward! this would be end with end coil tapered and since this is not a O.E.M. application does this apply when installing the moog CC850 coils in the front of a 1950 ford car. I really dread doing it twice when i can ask before i start the swap. i ***ure you guys i have been reading everything i can about it and not finding the info i need. the pic's i find comparing stock spring to these usually shoe flattened end on bottom but that could be because they sit flat for pic's. been done lots and just shy of talking to someone who actually physically installed them i'm willing to wait. thanks!

 

Instead of a 50 foot car, maybe he means '50 Ford

 

Flat down

 

THANKS DUDE! Dare me to ask is this info from personally installing these springs in a '50 ford? Not doubting anyones info but i have been getting some really mixed pm's about this and the ratio of which way they go is questionable.

 

anyone else?

 

Those are Ford Aerostar coils and the most popular swap into a Shoebox. Do a search here and on Fordbarn. The flat end goes up, just like the instructions say. Why second guess the instructions? Besides the fact that the lower control arm has a pocket for the open coil to sit in.

I install by disconnecting the spindle, just as you said.

 

I installed mine flat up with the knuckle disconnected at the upper arm.

 

not second guessing the instructions but they are for installing them in aerostar van not '50 ford which is actually a "custom" install. been searching on both sites and info i wanted wasn't clear so i ask until it is. 2 posts prior to your i'm being told "flat end down" and at this point "flat end up" is leading 2 to 1! i do thank you for your input and info on installing them.

 

As I have said before, it is a coil spring. It goes in the way it fits best. Up or down has no effect whatsoever on function.

 

not according too moog! why continue to argue with someone who doesn't know up from down!

 

OK, let's not get confused, because it DOES matter. The spring has a flat end where the last coil is machined flat into a full circle, the other end has the last coil "open".

The lower control arm on the shoebox has a pocket that the last coil sits in, the top pocket does not. The lower pocket has a groove for the "open" coil (the end) to sit in.

The flat end gets the rubber donut insulator and goes UP. End of story.

 

Yea, they've gotta go flat up, there is indeed a pocket in the lower arm made to fit the full end of the coil. It will be self-explanatory once you get it apart.

 

Installed the moog coils in my 54 ford, too the old ones out and the flat end was up and the coil end was on the bottom in the lower control arm spring pocket that has a indentation that the coil end sits in......falttened end goes up! coil end goes down.....

 

guys thanks for the feedback and looks like tonight i can tear things apart. looks like their is no real "choice" as to removing the coils either by unbolting lower a-arm from crossmember or unbolting at bottom of spindle.

 

thanks LostHope!

 

'Cause I'm a pro car builder, and a master mechanical engineer, that's why. If it fits both of the pockets, then it is in the correct orientation, regardless of what direction that might be. In the OEM application, that is very specific to the vehicle that the spring is supposed to be in (that's why MOOG specifies), since the pockets are configured differently from each other (as they are on your '50). If that happened to be upside-down from the OEM application, it would have no effect whatsoever on the function of the spring. It's just a ***** piece of metal.

 

hay mester, kin eye have yer autograph?

 

Yup, just $200.

 

according to moog it's a "variable rate" spring so it does matter which end is up! guys when i was young my gramps had a poster in the garage that had a guy pushing a wheelbarrow upside down and the caption read "are you helping out or part of the problem"? and i might have just discovered who posed for it!

 

Prove your theory. Refrain from product literature. Just use science.

 

Sorry, but I disagree. The variable rate has nothing to do with orientation "up" or "down", as you cannot change the physical characteristics of the spring by turning it upside down.

Only the fitment of the spring in its pocket matters.

 

then that answers the question that came with spring as it was for the proper spring fitment and not anything more. thanks again guys.

 

well all the parts are here so time to finish this rodeo by installing all these new parts the UPS & FED-X guys dropped off!