Maverick versus Granada Spindles

I've never heard of this and sounds too easy to be true. Can you tell me more? pics?

 

You heard it hear, and its true. Think of it like any other dropped spindle, they raise the spindle center line " you know, the piece that the bearings ride on" in relation to the lower ball joint. this moves the tires higher in the fenders. I will take a few pics and add them later tonight.

 

Hummm....

I got my Granada parts a couple of years ago, so my memory is fuzzy (Well... Fuyzzier than normal anyway). Back when I was scouring the wrecking yards for these parts I remember finding a number of Granadas with 4 lug front wheels (not 5) at that time and I thought these were the 4 or 6 cylinder cars. I may be wrong but I'm sure others warned me about this as well. Then again, there is a lot of eronious info out there on the web (especially since this info didn't come from the HAMB)

It's also possible that these 4 lug cars had Drums. (I never looked any farther than the number of lugs on their wheels.)

It is also worth noting that I'm in Canada, and the auto makers are known for ofering different things up here.

Regardless... This new info is great news for us all!

 

Well, I went to see the 76 maverick, and it was 4 wheel drum??

Now my dumb question is, is the spindle the same, or is it completely different? If it is the same, I am going to get it tomorrow, if its not, I sure hate to go through that work for nothing.

 

Hey ctfortner,
I'm just curious, were they 4 or 5 lug on the drums.

 

i have a set of granada spindles that i won't be using as i just ordered the 2" drop spindles from fatman. pm me if interested...
if not i would use discbrakeswap.com. all new stuff at a good price
peace

 

I didnt even think to look at whether they were 4 or 5 lug taz. I just assumed they wouldnt be the same spindles, so I just left.

 

Not much people know they are the same as a yard I frequent have all the granadas/monarchs missing the spindles but all of the mavericks except for the one we stripped have them still on. Jeff

 

I will take a set next time you go, it was by birthday this month

Did the maverick you stripped have the disc brakes? The one here has front drum, 76 model.

 

What do yall do for caliper brackets, if you dont get them from the donor? Are there some cheap GM or something out there that will interchange, or make your own, or what? I have talked to some out of state yards that have spindles but no brackets.

 

cool

 

Re: Maverick versus Granada Spindles
<hr style="color: rgb(229, 229, 229); background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);" size="1">"What do yall do for caliper brackets, if you dont get them from the donor?"

Not tryin' to add to the confusion here, and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that M2 and Granada spindels are the same, with different caliper brackets for the 11" rotors. I have Wagner part#s F9862/F9863 for the 11" caliper brackets, but haven't been able to source the parts after casually asking around for a few years now. I'm also lead to believe 9, 10, and 11" rotors all use the same wheel bearing/seals. I have 4 lug/9" front rollers on now, and want to up grade to 11" disc asap. Good info in this thread

 

Nope, MII and Granada are different spindles. One is front steer, one rear steer. The bearings and seals are the same size, and the calipers themselves are the same.


cheers
Ed N.

 

Just to clear something up...

It was mentioned earlier that Torino's could be added to the list. Not true, but they are similar. I have 6cyl. '77 Granada also which I used for comparison and they're the same but different from these I stripped from a 302 '73 Torino.

Same-- height. Approx 8 1/2"

Different-- Steering arm incline. Torinos use a larger piston caliper that appears to mount same size opening as Granada, tho mount is meatier on Torino. Torino Lower spindle has more casting meat that the Granada and is taller in that area. Upper spindle dives inward about 1 1/2" more than Granada to upper balljoint as measured to back of caliper mount. Torino rotors have wider vane openings resulting in the difference from upper bj to whl mount surface being approx. 5 7/8" Granada vs. 6 5/8" Torino. I will check the difference across the lower bj's tomorrow. It may be that the Torino spindles will set the whls 3/4" further outward and just require different upper arms. I'll see if the rotors swap while I'm at it. Even tho they're diff. the bearing surfaces might align the same.

Can someone check the books on this and tell us if the bearings ID's or OD's are even the same before I get to it?

 

The old "all make" application Ford bearing catalogue I have shows the sames bearings and races for the Torino spindles up to 1973, as the Granada / Maverick. 74 - up shows different inners.


cheers
Ed N.

 

I've used the versailles spindles and they work, but you do have to ream the lower balljoint.

Another thing that has not been mentioned is that when you go to the disc brakes, the rotor center hub is too large for the original wheels, please make sure to get the wheels off the car or find wheel that fit the same center hub hole as the rotor.
In fact I don't think you can run original style wheels on the front anymore.
If anyone has a part number for the right rotor then post it please.

 

Well, the lower bj to whl mount surface of rotor is same Torino vs. Granada so it would seem that the location of the upper arm would need to be moved inboard 3/4" to use the Torino spindles. If using factory hardware I'd think the bigger calipers and pads would be worth moving the upper arms tho I don't know what effect that may play in the geometry. Wish I'd have kept the Torino arms insteado cuttin em so I could compare that.

How far back does the Granada assy, arms and all, swap directly into older drum Fords again?

 

All you have to do is turn down the hub

 

Well, I got some 77 granada spindles and brakets on the way, hopefully be here by the long weekend. The ol 56 wont ever be the same.

 

Good point.

Yep, that's what I did.

Thanks,
Kurt

 

I don't know on the '76 Mavericks, but my '66-67 Comet/Fairlane spindles are the same for disc or drum. This is where a Hollander exchange manual is worth it's weight in gold. Some library reference desks might have them.

 

Regarding dropped spindles from Granada and can this be done to the Maverick spindle as well?
How much of a drop is gained when shaving the lower ball joint hole and how much of the meat do you remove from the lower ball joint hole. Meaning how thick will it be after words?

Rantgang

 

70's Torino, Cougar, LTD spindles are NOT the same. I went through a mini-nightmare with a guy who sold me a set of those and represented them to be "the same". They're overall larger, they have a different centerline, and use much larger lower ball joints. By comparison to Granada, they'll lift (instead of drop) your ride height.

As for the Granada dust shields, why all the fuss when you can buy new ones pretty cheap?

 

C9 (Jay) passed away in 2009 and I'm constantly amazed at how many threads he had contributed to with his vast knowledge. HRP

Probably should be added to the tech threads.

Re: Maverick versus Granada Spindles by C9
Maybe this will help.

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Dont worry about the four stud VS five stud, you should buy new rotors anyway. Buy five stud. Then, check the wheels you will be using. You may need longer studs, do it now. If you want to run the stock wheels, turn the OD of the outer hub down about 1/8. There is plenty of meat, don't worry about strength there. Leave the baffles off. I have run the snot out of mine for over ten years, raced, driven in the mountains, its all good.

 

Not sure if anyone's covered this yet, but...

All the Falcon-chassis car spindles are geometrically the same from the '66 Fairlane/Falcon and '67 Mustang on up. '66-72 Falcon/Fairlane/Montego/Torino, '67-73 Mustang/Cougar, '70-77 Maverick/Comet, '75-80 Granada/Monarch, etc.

The disc spindles became unique in '68 when the disc-brake cars went to the single-piston pin-floating caliper.

They all got a larger spindle snout (Trans-Am Mustang racing experience) in 1970 (the Galaxies et al got the larger snout in '68 IIRC, or maybe it was '69.)

In the Mustang world the '70-later drum brake spindles are generally the sought-after part because most of the good aftermarket big-brake kits are designed to bolt up to the drum-brake mounts.

In '74 the caliper design changed, the rubber-bushed pins (which always sucked, the pads consistently wore pie-shaped in a hurry) gave way to a steel slide. The only Falcon-chassis car in production this year was the Maverick, but the Granada/Monarch got the same design for '75. This caliper was also used on the Mustang II and Pinto/Bobcat from '74 (another reason those cars were so ridiculously heavy for their size - Ford engineering had basically given up somewhere around 1969, they spent most of the next decade building Bordinat Baroque pig-iron barges, then someone plopped down a Volvo 240 in Ford Engineering and said 'Copy this' so we got the Fox-chassis Fairmont of 1978...it was never quite BUILT like a Volvo but it did well enough for Ford...)

 

By the way, a great source for reproduction/new production Granada parts is CSRP, here's their website:

www.discbrakeswap.com

 

I have a pair of Granada spindles I will sell. PM me if you are interested.