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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Joshua Shaw, Oct 16, 2008.

  1. Fat Hack
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    It's like an internal combustion pipe organ...I love it!!! :D :cool:
     
  2. Bill Van Dyke
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    "Someone should be along soon to make a comment about billit:D..."

    Functional,beautiful and efficient! I see a lot of cast work not much "billit".:).. Old time craftmanship..just like a lot of HAMBERS. Remember what kind of machines were available to do this work in 1925!
     
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  3. snapCACKLEandpop
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    No results found for billit:
    Did you mean Billot (in dictionary) or Billiat (in reference)?

    as you can see. billit is not a word in the english language.
    and there is nothing billet on that engine.
     
  4. Fenders
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    NO fair, that is not an engine....
    That is a work of art.
     
  5. Bill Van Dyke
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    Couldn't agree more!<TABLE class=tborder id=post3213010 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100&#37;" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 id=td_post_3213010 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e5e5e5 1px solid">as you can see. billit is not a word in the english language.
    and there is nothing billet on that engine.
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  6. stude_trucks
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    So beautiful, even makes my 392 hemi look like a pile of crap. But, it's the best crap I've got. Wish I had one of those and car good enough for it as well.
     
  7. 972toolmaker
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    i guess they hadnt invented tacky plastic engine covers yet.
     
  8. 1923 Indy engine would be 183ci straight 8. Leo Goossen started with Miller in 1919 and designed all Millr's engines until 1933.

    The carbs are Miller "Master"s. They used a rotary valve and variable jetting. Those carbs are what initially made Harry Miller successful.
     
  9. Joshua Shaw
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    Exactly!! Goosen's signature is on everything Miller..

    Thanks guys, I agree. Its functional art at its best..

    It's an 8 cylinder.. Four pistons in two different "jugs".
    Miller was a GENIUS. And I don't say that cause I'm a fan.. I mean the man created things in the 20's and 30's, with hand tools that we still use today. He was the first to figure out the potential of a Forced induction, dual over head cam four cylinder.. now nearly 90 years later Poteet and Troy are knocking on 300mph's door with basicly the same set up in a door slammer! (blowfish)

    If your not familiar with Harry A. Miller, PLEASE!!! Take a little time to read up on the guy. You will not be disapointed. A lot of you have heard of Offenhouser engines.. Well, Miller hired and trained Fred offenhouser. WE WOULD NOT HAVE OFFY ENGINES WITH OUT HARRY MILLER. (and Leo Goosen!!!) Miller wasn't the best business guy, and when the company went bankrupt, Fred was able to buy it out and the rest was history.

    Here are some more shots..

    They didn't start with much. A lot of these parts are so rare, that there just ARE NOT ANY.. So, you have to make it from scratch.

    The shop doing this work is Zakira's. They restore some of the most high end, RAREST, and famous race cars in the world. As hard as it is to believe, Zakira's purchaced all of Millers original wooden bucks and blueprints. They reserch, mold and machine what they need from the original plans and bucks!

    The carberators for instance.. are made in house. I think they are around $5000 each. That may sound rediculous, but you must remember: we are talking about cars that value in the SEVEN digits..

    Check em out.. http://www.zakiras.com/


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    They understand metal shaping as you can see!

    This is all new.

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  10. Gee Frickin Whizzzzz
     
  11. Ryan
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    Shit... I love Millers...
     
  12. Got some just like it .. Blue tape that is...
     
  13. 47 jailbar
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    Fantastic post, thanks for sharing. When you see stuff like this think about the equipment and tools these men had to work with. They didn't have the tools that we all have today. Best fucking craftsman that ever were. No mig, tig, roloc discs and air tools. How did these guys pull off some of the stuff they did. I love old school metal shaping and machine work but I sometime wonder how they pulled it off. Think of the hours it took to make one simple piece.I am a sheetmetal man with 26 years experience and these guys just blow me away.
     
  14. Shoprag
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    I'm real fond of the knucklehead, but I think it just took the back seat.

    Looks like it could make the calender, just not sure what month. You should post a pic in the calender thread.
     
  15. Beautiful industrial art. Drooooooool! Everything is designed, not just cobbled up.

    Re. expense, don't worry about 10K flatheads, that Miller would be an expensive car to build!
     
  16. HOTTRODZZ
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    Mill$..........!!!

    Ausome

    Ass Kick

    Way Cool

    What shop is doin the work...?

    ( BIG ) thanks for the pics.!
     
  17. lehr
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    Holy Shit !
     
  18. kookee
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    That is beautiful craftsmanship. Amazing to think of the skill taken to not only design, but produce such a piece of machinery.
     
  19. raven
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    I bet it never looked that good when it was in the car racing...
    Nice looking engine porn, but way over 'restored'.
    r
     
  20. banjorear
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    Can I ask, are all of those parts one off or various limited castings or did he take existing patterns and modify them to fit?

    For that time period (or any time period for that matter) the motor is simply gorgeous.
     
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  21. hot rod pro
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    sex on wheels.

    -danny
     
  22. oldandkrusty
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    Slobber, Drooooooooooooooool! I'm with Ryan - I love any Miller engine. They were, and are, all works of art that just happened to be outstanding race car powerplants. I wish that the same thought were given to the pieces and parts of today's automobiles.
     
  23. Joshua Shaw
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    I made the same statements before about the millers I see.. then I started studying them and read the books on them that are filled with original build pics. And again I asked Jim on this engine, were they actually this shinny, and perfect?

    Jim, as he always does, said "lets take a walk" We went into there library and he started pulling out original 8x10 glossy build pics. About half of them (millers in general) looked like the engine above. Miller had a "Metal finisher" in house, (can;t remember his name) that thats ALL HE DID! He finished each rough casting to "Machined" or "polished" state, whatever Miller asked for. ZAKIRA'S are the most "CORRECT" restorers going. If a car was painted with a roller then, they have me paint it with a roller now! They pride themselves on NOT over doing it, but "Correctly doing it"

    I agree with ya 100&#37; that most cars of this caliber ARE over restored, but trust me, Miller was the Penski, D.E.I, Shoemacher of his time. There stuff was first rate.

    This is just another Miller that I pulled of the internet.. but look at the lines, fit and finish.. This car is pretty nice, but a hand full of Millers had SOLID CHROME FRAMES!!



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  24. Weasel
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    I guess you're one of the men in your signature who just "wants to watch the world burn"? Why don't you let Zakira's know that they have "way over 'restored' " it and it does not meet with your criteria - maybe they'll scuff and grease it up for you.:confused:

    For the rest of us it is stunningly beautiful just the way it is - art baby, pure art.
     
  25. Digger_Dave
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    Can't say it any better myself.
     
  26. oilslinger53
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    jebus, that is a beautiful engine
     
  27. KY Boy
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    Sorry but after that second round of pics I need to say I'm even more impressed. Absolutely beautiful.
     
  28. eye bone
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    Now that's art!!!
     
  29. 4tl8ford
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    That has some Bugatti Blood in it. That basic design started well and just kept getting better. Everyone who added something to it was well vetted and had to bring something besides a Name to the party.
     
  30. 62rebel
    Joined: Sep 1, 2008
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    that's truly magnificent. even if it was internally ruined i'd never trash it; i'd keep it as a "pretty"!

    what is it with alloy and brass castings that gives us woodies?
     

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