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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Joshua Shaw, Oct 16, 2008.

  1. 4tl8ford
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  2. The37Kid
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    With 14 years of Bugatti restoration work under my belt I have to say you have that backwards. MILLER designed an alloy wheel in 1920,and got a pettent before Bugatti debuted his. Miller Dynasty page 63. Bugatti swapped three Type 43's for the MILLER FWD Packard Cable Specials, and studied the twin cam layout and used it on his Type 51. Both great designers, but MILLER was ahead of him on a lot of stuff.
     
  3. Clutched
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    Christ! I Would rather read the Miller Dynasty Book than look at porn any day...very sensual stuff. he was a mad man. unreal..
     
  4. lostforawhile
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    it's....like....metal....porn:p
     
  5. lostforawhile
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    I'm very grateful that places like this restore these cars so future generations can have a chance to enjoy them. the craftsmen who are doing this also deserve a big thumbs up. it's not a job to do that kind of work,it's a passion.
     
  6. Kilroy
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    Miller v16... Nuff said.

    To me, absolultely the most beautiful and intimidating engine ever...

    That Miller is a chip off the old block though... Or the proud pappa of Godzilla...
     
  7. 54EARL
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    wow that is amazing. I'll take two to go he he.
     
  8. Joshua Shaw
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    Yeah... Thats a tough one. Like two really good looking rich sisters.. "Same out come, but hard to decide!"

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  9. The37Kid
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    Corngrower, Thanks for another great photo, but you need to post some info on that one as well, my guess is that it's a Marine engine, if so what hull was it in?
     
  10. dieselc
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    Thats a beautiful engine.
     
  11. flatheadpete
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    Holy...I mean, Geez. I'm speechless. Nice and Thank You!
     
  12. power58
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    Goossen put Millers ideas on paper and engineered them to work. Offenhauser and his crew carved them out of metal and built them. Fantastic team. Many parts on the straight eight were in common with the 4 banger. Millers shop could only machine
    a block the length of 4 clyinders so thats why the eight pictured has two seperate
    4 cylinder blocks on a common crankcase. The Miller Dynasty is a must for your Christmas list.
     
  13. The37Kid
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    I think the blocks were cast in four cylinder form for econemy not table length, the crankcases were full length and one piece. Tossing one or two rods in the same block saved the replacement cost of an eight cylinder block.
     
  14. Joe T Creep
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    That makes my pants tight.
     
  15. racer5c
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    Hey Josh, I did tell you I have Myron Stevens cobalt blue gas welding goggles didn't I?
     
  16. GuyW
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    I don't underatand what you're saying...
     
  17. Joshua Shaw
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    Eight pistons in all... FOUR pistons in each jug.. there are TWO jugs, equalling eight..


    Think of a Harley Motorcycle engine.. You have one "Block" or "crank case" at the bottom. Then Two "jugs" which house one piston each.. The millers were are like that but intead of a "jug" for each cylinder, there are TWO jugs that hold the front FOUR and rear FOUR.
    Now, imagine putting that together.. You have four pistons with rings sticking up out of a block flopping all over the place. Then you have to "slide" the jug down over ALL them, while compressing the rings and what not.. But, of coarse.. the guys that build these engines make it look easy.

    AS FOR MORE PICS OF THE V-16...

    Here is the post I did for that..

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=228562&highlight=miller+shaw

    and

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245398&highlight=miller+shaw


    JD
     
  18. Cshabang
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    Josh, I'd have to agree 100% B E A utiful
     
  19. RUDOG
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    that's really nice to see, and that it's still around and being rebuilt! nice!...Thanx for sharing
     
  20. Kilroy
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    That's the normally aspirated one...

    I think he built one with twin centrifugal blowers too...

    Either way... Pretty much the pinnacle of vintage engine design.
     
  21. Joshua Shaw
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    Your exactly right.. In fact the TWO in the boat mentioned above, (the engine shown above) were Supercharged, but for simplicity, consistancy, and reliability, for firing on the dyno and "breaking them in" Zakira's made there own manifold to use Holly 2 barrels.
     
  22. fab32
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    Most beautiful? that's debateable, how about ahead of whatever is in second place.:D

    Frank
     
  23. miller91
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    I hate to speak in absolutes but the Miller 183's and 91's are without a doubt some of the finest internal combustion engines ever manufactured. The "pipe organ" intakes weren't just showy, Miller's team worked painstakingly with ram tuning way before it was fashionable. Using different length runners, they empirically discovered what worked the best for their application. The finish work (a great deal by hand) on every part of these cars was so extensive that the shop was running near bankruptcy despite the approximately $15,000 dollar price tag of a complete car. Big money then.
     
  24. miller91
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    oh,and a "good" 183 put out 125 HP at 4,000 rpm. pretty sick for the day.
     

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