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Technical Mini starter for 327

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ol55, Sep 10, 2016.

  1. ol55
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    Looking for a new starter for my '63 327 SBC. My old starter does not start when hot, is close to the headers, and is a pain to get out with the headers. Is there a newer application I can use to get a smaller higher torque GM (Remy?) starter that will fit? The flywheel is 153 tooth and there are 9 teeth on the old starter.

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  2. Texas Webb
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    Jegs,Summit,speedway?
     
  3. 56don
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    I got one of of ebay. They are everywhere.
     
  4. 61cad
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    Try a remote solenoid....
     
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  5. rfraze
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    There is a later model smaller GM gear reduction starter available that many seem to like.
     
  6. 3banjos
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    Tilton starter. You can spin the casing 180 degree which puts the solenoid underneath. Plenty of clearance.
     
  7. Tony
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    These are the ones i use.
    Pretty much just a later model big block starter.
    Ive had wayyyyy better luck with these than any aftermarket starter, especially the starters that use the billet block to adapt the starter to the block.
    I have one in my 32 now and it works perfectly, and was not a super expensive unit either.

    Tony
     
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  8. ol55
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    This is what I am looking for. Is there a part number or a car/truck it fits that I can ask for? I need straight across bolt pattern like the original.
     
  9. putz
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    same problem on my 327 which is built , replaced several starters , tried mini no help ,61 cad is right , installed ford solonoid cranks : Great : problem gone , cheap fix .........
     
  10. Mr48chev
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  12. Johnny Gee
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    That's what was going thru my mind as well. Had no idea GM's mini was available for the smaller 153 flywheel/flexplate. Another thought is this. Why doesn't every rodder automatically replace their 153 for a 168 ? It makes things easier on the starter doesn't it ?
     
  13. Tony
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    Im pretty sure That second one with the Delco number is the one i use.
    I cant find the part number at the moment though.
    Something to consider, if you have a shop around thet rebuilds alt and starters, they may have one in stock, rebuilt much cheaper than 300.
    Im a mechanic by trade and do get decent deals on parts, and thats exactly what i did and do.
    Mine cost me under 200 and it works great.

    Tony
     
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    make sure you don't need the byp*** wire for the ignition.
     
  16. ol55
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    Not sure what you mean by this.

    The delco number from mr48 chev was what I was looking for. The z28 starter may be for the 168 tooth flywheel as it has 11 teeth. I think the 153 tooth takes a 9 tooth starter.
    The parta stores wanted $160-170 but the net stores showing $40-70 range. Not sure why the big difference.
     
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  18. DDDenny
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    Johnny
    This is the GM small case starter for my 67 Nova, due to space limitations, these cars really need the 7 oclock exit belhousing for clutch throwout lever clearance which was the OEM setup with the 153 tooth flywheel.
    With big tube headers like I have, these cars don't have a lot of options for starters.
    This was sourced through a local boat refitter, note the "marine" callout on the housing.
    I honestly don't know the difference in this one because it was a "backdoor" deal so there was no paperwork with it.
    IIRC, GM sells the non marine version across the counter under a differerent part number.

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  19. mad mikey
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    I have had no luck with the mini starters. They do not last cranking a blown 406. Have a Powermaster 2.5 HP. NO TROUBLE!!
     
  20. falcongeorge
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    s10 4.3 v6, IIRC.
     
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  21. Johnny Gee
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    DDDenny, I've always been under the ***umption that a 153 GM mini did not exist but low and behold I seen it yesterday at the Long Beach Swap Meet from the same vendor I got my 168 from. My 168 is tiny and freed up lot's of space. Thing's must really be tight as you say to have to get that little extra bit of space. Do you have any pics to share on how you put 10 lbs. of stuff into a 5 lbs. box ?
     
  22. Make sure you get the correct special starter bolts for the GM mini starter.
     
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  23. HOTRODPRIMER
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    I used the mini starter on my '63 327 and it worked like a champ,got mine at NAPA. HRP
     
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  24. Johnny Gee
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    The vendor I bought mine from is good about that. He supplies them with the starter. :)
     
  25. Hdonlybob
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    I have one on my 283 and love it !
    Just don't get a cheepo....My first one was one, and it didn't last long.
    Went to an auto parts store and bought a good one...
    Good luck
     

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