Model A Ford with 2.0l Pinto engine

Sure, but I have a 2.0 and I want a stockish drivetrain behind the 2.0/ I want a closed tube etc. I have laid all this out when I first was asking for info. Now I have come up with a plan and wanted to know if anyone saw a problem.

 

I try to be as nice as I can but you seem to lack the skills to do this. That's why everybody is suggesting the Shay to you.
3/8th plate for engine mounts? Make a shaft? Shorten a driveshaft?
Do you have a welder that welds 3/8th plate? The measuring tools and a mill to index the boltholes on the adapter? A lathe to shorten the driveshaft?
A friendly deal on machining is $75/hour. Many things take 2 hours to set up for 10 minutes of machining.
You will find out quickly why adapters cost what they cost.
Anyway go ahead and prove us all wrong but think about that Shay.
Its a hell of a deal for certain people.

 

Von, I build cars for a living now . LOL I have taught machine shop, auto shop, both mechanical and autobody ( welding and fabrication )and Engineering courses as well as others when I drew a paycheck. I think I am qualified LOL I do not understand why you doubt my abilities. Sorry to lead anyone astray as to what I can do. But Von, this is my first Model A build. I build 60/70s cars most times, with a bike here or there. I'm an intelligent educated craftsman here. I'm trying to understand exactly what I will do, before I set out to start buying "the" pieces. But you must not understand what I have written or asked,. I said I have a plan now. I can accomplish the plan easily, I'm looking for more knowledgeable Model A people to see fault in the plan. If you can . show me. If not . . .

 

and just for you Von . . . .



Both bikes below are extremely modified. You have to know what you are looking at to understand the amount of custom work on both.





How many times have you seen two 1968 1/2 CJ Mustangs together? I built both.



How about from this to this??





all for you Von . . a few tidbits of my auto work.

 

As long as inpute shafts are the correct length and you have the access to machine equipment, I see nothing glaringly wrong with what you propose. I did think of where I saw a pedal bracket that bolted to the later trans for Model "A", it was with Antique Auto Parts, which used to be PSI years ago. Their number is 626 288 3131. I don't know if the bracket is still a current part for them, but it is in an older catalog I have here at the house. You might open a conversation with Jim there, I wouldn't be suprised if they were the guys offering the original kits for this deal back in the 70s when it was a fairly common deal.

 

Thanks louvers. From what someone was telling me yesterday, the 3/8 plate still allows plenty of depth for spline engagement. I have most of the equipment needed, that's not a problem. I feel relieved as far as this project goes as I think I have something that will work. Thanks for your input.

 

Pete I based my judgement on your many responses in this thread. As an experienced autoshop fabricator you would know that 3/8th plate has no use as engine mounts anywhere. My suggestion here is to look into the trans dapt line of engine adapters. They use early ford style biscuit mounts. You will have to fabricate your brackets but that should be easy. Use 3/16th plate and box it for strength.
Look at the Speedway catalog in the engine mount section.
Regarding the trans adapter I would buy somebody's used T5 setup. This stuff always shows up at swapmeets and in our H.A.M.B. parts for sale section. The Pinto was very common in the eighties when people were recovering from the second oil crisis.
If you decide to make your own adapter have the plate you want to use blanchard ground. Hot roll from the steel shop doesn't work.
And take lots of pictures so we can watch.

 

I have plenty of T5 parts from all the rebuilds I have done. I don't want a T5 because I want it "stockish" looking from the bell back and am not interested in a $500 adapter someone makes. I think running a 32-up trans is cool. I know everyone has there own reasons for doing things and this may not be your or anyone else's cup of tea. I've always been on the edge, not a problem. I like it, it's all that counts.
I remember a teacher in 3rd grade asking the cl*** a question. By show of hands you choose an answer. Everyone had their hand up but me; the entire cl***. Everyone looked at me like I was weird LOL Guess who was right?? I haven't looked back. I know when I need a question answered and I'm not afraid to ask. That's what I'm doing here. Not playing dumb, just getting the correct information I need.

As for the 3/8 plate. . . I have seen it used, in person. for similar engine plates. Of course where it actually attaches to something at the sides, it is thicker. It was on a running engine, must have worked. This is definitely, on my part, monkey see monkey do as it was working. Ss for the quality of the plate . . good point.

 

Please take pictures and update this thread as you go. I am subscribed.

 

This is not a picture of mine, but it is basically the start of what I will be doing to make a plate. I believe this engine is a 2.3, but its similar enough to get the idea. And this plate appears to just be in the beginning stages.

 

Anyone have any leads on a Flathead flywheel housing that is pressed?

 

OK, I'm slow to get started as finding the parts/materials isn't going quickly. Just wanted you to know the project is still going . . need to acquire some more things.

 

Just thought I'd let you know that I talked to Jim at Antique Ford Supply last weekend at LARS, and the pedal bracket you'll need is still available from them and about 130.00 or so. They have lots of other four banger driveline bits and pieces that can be of help to you as well.

 

Thank you. I will check with them!!!

 

Building an "A" coupe. Using a different motor setup but using a T5 trans and keeping the stock pedals. I mounted the pedals to the frame instead of the bell housing. I used a 3/4" x 9" grade eight bolt. I matched the exact location and marked it on the frame. Boxed in that section of the frame. Drilled a hole in the boxed frame. Ran the bolt in from the outside. I fabbed a support for the thread end of the bolt. The support runs back to the crossmember. I rebushed the pedals and bored them out to 3/4". I fabbed a spacer/stop for the clutch and brake and I now have stock pedals with a modern engine and trans.

Took me about three hours to build. (...after I scratched my head for two days to figure out how I was going to do it)

 

petesponies, Been meaning to compliment you on your C.B.450 you showed earlier... I have a '72 C.L.450 Called "iden***y Crisis", 'cause it's not quite shure if it's a drag bike, swing arm chop, or a cafe racer. Sounds bad looks pretty! 'Bout the most exotic engine ever sold off a showroom floor, that for sure!

 

Well thanks for the bike compliment, but it's a XS650. The goal on that bike to to make it look 100% British . . without the troubles. I get lots of comments
" Hey is that a Norton? " " Nice BSA " etc . . that makes it all worth it. The biog Kawasaki pictured was more work. Lot's of custom stuff . . rear fender is two fenders welded together, tank mods, different front end, dis***embled wheels and powder coats them . . etc. Doing a '57 Sportster now.

 

Jim, have a pic??

 

Well now I feel like an idiot! Looking again I can see the valve adjustment covers are on the back and front sides of the head... Duh!

 

This pic would have helped

 

Pinto is unibody no frame

 

Sorry it's all torn apart for media blasting. Will shoot a few pics when it's back together.

 

Any progress reports?...if so any pics?. I'm going to collect parts, put mine back together and drive it until I get more room to work.

 

I have done a little work on the cowl, nothing on the engine lately. I will be slow on this. I have so many irons in the fire, I just bounce around between my cars I'm restoring for me, the customer cars and bikes, my bikes, my out of state property etc. So I'm still in it, but progress is on the back burner.

 

Check with Randy, ask if his friend has any pictures.