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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pennafxu, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. pennafxu
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    Ordered water pumps... Yippee! They are red too... So one less thing to paint! ImageUploadedByTJJ1367074506.973252.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367074518.717447.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367074529.584534.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367074539.334067.jpg

    This is the wide 5/8" single belt application for my 49-53 flattie. This is also an important step as the water pumps form part of the mounting for the front of the engine.


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  2. pennafxu
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    Gotz ma engine biscuits too! Need some tea to go with my biscuits! ImageUploadedByTJJ1367075151.417185.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367075159.667284.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367075167.912347.jpg

    Quick question; what if any can I use in the rear mounting position? Is there specific biscuits for that area or can I use more of the same or none at all? Thanks to all for input!


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  3. daddio211
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    On '49 and up, there weren't any rear engine mounts, just the two on the water pumps and one on the transmission crossmember.

    Glad to see you moving forward again!
     
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  5. pennafxu
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    Thanks!! It appears the engine was attached to the frame on the rear by the PO. Are these mounting points not considered "engine mounts." So as I understand it the rear of the engine is rigidly mounted, with no biscuits?


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  6. pennafxu
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    Yes Siree!


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  7. daddio211
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    No rear engine mounts at all. Just the two water pumps and one trans. Considering what you started with I'm surprised there were ANY engine mounts!

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  8. pennafxu
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    Ok thanks Eric. Looks like PO mounted to frame. So if I place a X-member for transmission that would be my mounting point?
     

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  9. daddio211
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    Yep!

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  10. pennafxu
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    Engine mounts came in the other day... Lost the bid on the red ones so "made my own" lol... ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781566.470873.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781579.302972.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781593.486759.jpg


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  11. pennafxu
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    Water pump/engine mounts all taped up... Using dupli-color engine enamel. Great product. Two light coats and one medium wet should get it done... ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781757.119877.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781793.936462.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781809.120025.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781821.320014.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781837.936506.jpg


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  12. pennafxu
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    Tape removed and should be ready to mount in 3 hrs... Waiting for my SS hardware to come in to mount them... ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781979.219919.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367781993.653222.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367782021.820802.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367782037.236516.jpg

    Seems like the way these pumps mount I won't need those damn biscuits... Shit!


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  13. daddio211
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    Those pumps were designed to fit on a C channel type of rubberized isolater. I can post pics later if you'd like.

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  14. pennafxu
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    Yes please, I think I have it tracked down though. Also can you look at my frame and tell me the exact year of it? I am looking at front end components... Appears to be Model A 28-31...???

    Thanks Eric!
     
  15. pennafxu
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    These look like them... I assume they can be welded? after I drill through the frame?
     

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    Stainless is forever! But these didn't take forever to get here! Gotta love speedway for shit like this...

    ImageUploadedByTJJ1367889694.108857.jpg


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  17. daddio211
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    Yes, that's them. Sorry, been busy as hell lately!

    I wouldn't weld them. The studs on the bottom were designed to bolt through the cross member. Welding will likely melt the rubber mount, or at least cause separation from the steel portion causing early failure.
     
  18. daddio211
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    Not that it isn't obvious, but here is a shot of my shoebox mounts. The wholes in the cross member are elongated slightly in a triangular shape to allow for some adjustment. Rather than washers, there is a plate, roughly 3" x 4" for the bottom.

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    When you say x-member do you mean the A frame side rails? Or do I need to fabricate a mounting point for these on my frame? The front x-member is for the suicide set up and my engine will mount 6 1/2" aft of that location...

    Please help!!


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  20. pennafxu
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    Well some more progress with purdying up the flathead... ImageUploadedByTJJ1367949787.680670.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367949807.330773.jpg



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  21. pennafxu
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    Taped off and sprayed...
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  22. pennafxu
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    Final coats... Then 7 days to fully cure!
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  23. pennafxu
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    Also attached the driver side pump... Used copper gasket sealer, blue permatex and torqued down to 30 ft-lbs per the instructions. ImageUploadedByTJJ1367950039.580104.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367950109.479925.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367950123.797302.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1367950135.713707.jpg


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  24. daddio211
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    Not the greatest picture, but this is the front cross member of my shoebox. (Very bottom of pic.) It's an engine cradle, of sorts, and ties all of the front suspension together too.

    I don't think you'll need anything quite as rigid, but take an angle measurement of the mounting surfaces and create something custom.

    OR... build two small brackets, one from each water pump, and mount those biscuit style. I'm not certain that's a great idea given the torque of the engine... someone with an engineering background will hopefully chime in.

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    Like unwrapping a Christmas prezzy! ImageUploadedByTJJ1368038525.566410.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1368038536.066691.jpg


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  26. pennafxu
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    On to cleaning the paint off the top of the fins and putting the bolt covers on...
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  27. pennafxu
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    Before and after... This Is a labor of love! ImageUploadedByTJJ1368038724.083809.jpg ImageUploadedByTJJ1368038741.833898.jpg


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  28. pennafxu
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    Working on the writing...
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  29. chaddilac
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    It's amazing what you started with and where you are now!! Engine looks delicious!!! :D
     
  30. pennafxu
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    Both pumps attached... Wish I had gone with the single mounting style as I will need to fab up a custom cradle mount... Oh well, live and learn. ImageUploadedByTJJ1368038932.399854.jpg


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