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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pennafxu, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. daddio211
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    A few things to offer...

    First, coil overs belong on a street rod, not a hot rod. Flathead, wire wheels, bias plies, etc. do not play well (visually) with coil overs. Go with a transverse rear spring.

    Second, I personally prefer a triangulated four link over the choices you listed. They tend to work well with coil overs (I know!) but work well with any other suspension type too. They hide away nicely and are not readily visible. Since you're running split bones up front you'd ideally want split bones out back, or not have anything too visible. Also, no panhard bar is needed.

    As a second choice to the triangulated four link I'd choose the ladder bars. The ones from @3kross look killer. P&J are always nice.

    No on the four bar. Doesn't work with the rest of the style at all.

    Put that weight back on that drum mister!

    Wheel spacers can be dangerous. Avoid them if at all possible. I don't have a solution for this dilemma, sorry. Personally I'd find some '40 Ford 16" steelies if the solution isn't easily obtainable.

    One of the big keys to proper handling is to have an imaginary line through the kingpin to the ground. The tire should be centered where that location is. Wheel spacers push the tire outside of that realm and can cause weird issues.
     
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  2. frdsuperduty
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    Ive got 4 16x4 40 ford {kelsey hayes] wheels in excellent shape taking up space if your interested.Bolt pattern 5 on 5 1/2.
     
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  3. daddio211
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    If he's not , I AM!!!!!
     
  4. pennafxu
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    Thanks for all the replies fellas...
    Will go with P and J's ladder bars per Daddio... And back to the buggy spring. Will continue with my current front end/wheel set up (but understand the handling risks) as I love those finned drums and have a lot of history with those rims... Frdsuperduty: thanks for the kind offer, Eric they're all urs...


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  5. pennafxu
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    So just to clarify... The only part I need is the P&J ladder bar kit and nothing else?? What about panhard bar? Every book I read says yes...plus I am putting one on front.


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  6. pennafxu
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    Time to finish the bones... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084048.634997.jpg
    Edges flushed, and chamfered... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084081.686431.jpg
    Bung fitment... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084132.004770.jpg
    Seems snug. ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084153.672780.jpg


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  7. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084195.460102.jpg
    Jigged up...
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    Tacked... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084258.034077.jpg
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084276.466977.jpg
    Wow! Haven't welded in a bit! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084308.722037.jpg
    Hard to ground this old metal
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084345.922571.jpg
    Nice tack weld


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  8. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084416.829540.jpg
    Need to change out tungsten...
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    #8 cup
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    Just used grips to flip the tungsten as I always sharpen both ends for double duty! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084526.320809.jpg gas lens is the best set up!


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  9. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084586.359736.jpg
    Next bone...
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    All welded up! Not bad for 6 months of inactivity... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084638.833878.jpg tie rod ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084660.899224.jpg grease zerk is 9/32"


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  10. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084719.873570.jpg finished! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084736.456121.jpg just a little dressing...


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  11. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418084767.441332.jpg finished bones!



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  12. daddio211
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    Well, attempt number three while I'm swearing like a sailor. Guess I'll copy my reply this time before submitting and having the app tell me "You don't have permission..." Ugh.

    I don't know what P&J includes so I don't know if you'll need anything else. Some will argue that Henry Ford didn't use a panhard bar, but today's tires and driving habits put a lot more lateral stress on a car than 81 years ago.

    Always err on the side of safety, you can never overbuild in areas like suspension, steering or brakes. So yes, I'd recommend a panhard bar.
     
  13. pennafxu
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    Assembly off front end... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418089904.316282.jpg
    Spring pack attached... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418089928.333934.jpg
    Front end on front x-member
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418089980.655107.jpg rear view of an almost roller...


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  14. pennafxu
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    Both drums ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418090091.316960.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418090124.420488.jpg left wheel chocked up... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418090163.291073.jpg wheels straight... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1418090191.823346.jpg turning left...


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  15. pennafxu
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    Thanks man... Question on the front end... How much will the driveline/body wt drop the front end? It still seems high?


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  16. daddio211
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    It's all relative to weight and spring rate, but figure roughly two inches once loaded.
     
  17. pennafxu
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    Coolio... I'm gonna take some leafs out to decease ride height another inch...


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  18. daddio211
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    Remember when you remove leaves you also reduce spring rate. In other words the spring can't hold the load it could before. Although it's common, use common sense. Removing every other leaf, starting with the shortest, works fairly well.
     
  19. pennafxu
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    Okay guys ordered my spacers from Ralley America... and ladder bars from Pand J's... Just waiting now... May start welding up the trans x-member, but want to get the front end together to drop in the driveline etc... In the meantime will measure for my tie rods, and steering linkage... Prolly go with a Vega box.
     
  20. pennafxu
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  21. pennafxu
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    Gotz to measure my tie rod length... how-measuretieroddraglinks.gif
     
  22. pennafxu
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    Some of this too....
    How-FordTaperedArm.gif
     
  23. pennafxu
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    This is the kit I will go with... Unless there is summit better out there??? Also I assume it mounts to a specific frame area???
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  24. daddio211
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    Order a Vega mount from P&J while you're at it.
     
  25. pennafxu
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    from Kentucky

    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419123858.598847.jpg
    Ordered Thursday...
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419123898.402670.jpg
    Arrived Friday... That's insane!


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  26. pennafxu
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    Looking to start the rear end assy... Waiting on the front spacers...
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419176462.214119.jpg
    Courtesy of P and J my favorite rod shop by far!
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    I just still cannot believe the service!


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  27. pennafxu
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    Had some time to throw this together real quick... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419203705.061282.jpg
    Went fairly smooth
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    Other side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419203739.615424.jpg wanna see how this works with my homemade x- member
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419203751.098158.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419203787.467635.jpg
    Center mount point... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419203813.220625.jpg


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  28. pennafxu
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    Ok so got a little test fitting done...
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419288222.918544.jpg
    Lined up the rear end... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419288250.537174.jpg wheels off... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419288281.042460.jpg getting a basic idea ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419288324.446128.jpg sits roughly 6" on each side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419288516.388171.jpg


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  29. pennafxu
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    Per instructions I need to be 4" below my rear cross member, and 1/4" fore of the center line... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419290897.472573.jpg
    Looks good... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419290943.723356.jpg about 4 deg
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    Side view ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291027.897025.jpg back view


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  30. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291265.242570.jpg
    Better view of axle height... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291358.800409.jpg rear spring mount ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291389.770237.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291411.522406.jpg hangers removed ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291436.673828.jpg hack sawed
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291456.925404.jpg looks like a frog! Ribbet...
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291483.877853.jpg nice quality steel ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1419291508.963876.jpg rings split


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