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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pennafxu, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. pennafxu
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    Front ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013485.571845.jpg axle
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013680.053464.jpg axle end...

    Will look at a few Rods or P&J website for instructions!


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  2. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013774.295754.jpg hack saw on shackle bushing ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013806.514930.jpg ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013831.485456.jpg used the air hammer ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013869.403637.jpg and got some purchase ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013900.590109.jpg out she popped! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013924.908968.jpg new bushings ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013944.493245.jpg courtesy of P&J ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421013969.179122.jpg other side is a bear! Needs to be drilled out... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421014009.314991.jpg


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  3. alchemy
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    When you are screwing in the tie rod ends or heim ends into tubing, it doesn't look like you have them in far enough. Usually about an inch of threads should be showing, with the jamb nut covering a few of those threads. It looks to me like you've got maybe a half inch of threads engaged inside that tie rod tube? Please confirm for us.

    I think it's great that you are gung-ho on building a hot rod, and great that you are showing/asking us all the steps of the process, but if you had a friend nearby that has done this before to catch these sort of things you could save yourself days of rework. Like somebody said before, if we were there we could explain it in 30 seconds. Isn't there somebody near by who might like to help you drink your beer?
     
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  4. pennafxu
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    Thanks again for the input:
    Ok the tie rods are barely a 1/4" in... So I assume they sent the wrong length tube? As to the other point I am fine on my own as I work odd hrs, and garage time is my time... I like going through the process and facing the challenges... As there is no better way of learning... Further, if I fuck up I have no one to blame but myself!


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  5. pennafxu
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    Spoke with P&J for over an hr and got some great advice on chassis set up etc (talking to someone as opposed to writing is so much easier!!!) and ordered a few more parts... More to follow! They had sent the wrong length tie bar... (3" too short! Hence the discrepancy as I knew something just didn't feel right!) They stated the tie bar length is usually 3" shorter than the eye to eye length, so about 1.5" thread sticks out on each end of the tie rods...


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  6. daddio211
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    I hadn't noticed what Alchemy did, good catch, man!

    Rule of thumb is that a threaded fastener needs AT LEAST it's own diameter covered in thread surface. Does that make sense? So a 1/2" threaded fastener needs AT LEAST 1/2" of penetration into another threaded surface to have it's intended strength. More is better. And when setting something like this up (future adjustability in mind) you need to remember that rule and never adjust it so far out that you weaken the junction.
     
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  7. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421118002.052079.jpg
    A bit more drilling today... Disassembled the front springs to order a reverse eye spring...also got my left houdaille shock loose, but the right is frozen so need to change out the core... :(


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  8. Getting those bushings out is my absolute least favorite thing. I am feeling your pain on this one. The same thing never seems to work twice with those damned things. The WORST place to have to work them out I've found so far is when they're stuck in the spring hanger on your rear end. I went slightly mad before I finally got them out of one of my rears. Ultimately it was just going all Mjolnir with a BFH that got the last of them out.
     
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  9. pennafxu
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    I'm glad you u understand! It has taken literally a week right now on and off... Going with incremental bits next... If that fails then it's reaming time!


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  10. alchemy
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    I remember using a hacksaw blade cutting the shell in two places, then maybe catching an edge with a air chisel blade and folding up the remaining skin. Will definitely need a reaming or sandblasting to remove the rusty-crusty from the hole when done.
     
  11. pennafxu
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    Yessir! Followed that to a tee on number 1, but number 2 ain't havin non of that!


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  12. You can use a wooden dowel cut down the middle (like a clothespin) with some sandpaper to clean the hole too.

    I found myself wishing for a hardened steel round in the diameter of the hole. Ideally this piece of steel would be about 6" long and have a concaved, toothed, and/or notched face on it to grab and fold the bushing inward when smacked heartily with a BFH or air hammer.
     
  13. pennafxu
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    Lol


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  14. No joke, I had some steel in my cart ready to order then I managed to get the damn things out the hard way.
     
  15. pennafxu
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    Setting up the front end... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421529559.195168.jpg
    Front engine mounts... Will be fabbed ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421529584.880680.jpg frame mount for bones tie-Rods ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421529683.638879.jpg clamped up to release the springs...


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  16. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541194.997355.jpg
    The correct tie Rod bar... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541230.849069.jpg 3" longer... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541253.184285.jpg comparing... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541279.669883.jpg released pack... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541305.889490.jpg bits and bobs... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541332.957817.jpg single spring...

    And hot rod tip: use a single spring to approximate actual ride height for your front end (fully loaded with driveline/body etc...


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  17. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541578.712330.jpg difference in length of tie rods ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541652.602103.jpg spring clamped up to front x-member ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541702.773646.jpg spring ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541738.875301.jpg about 5-7pos caster angle ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541784.630732.jpg jacked up ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541820.033261.jpg plate ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421541857.918928.jpg jacked... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542038.486058.jpg and tacked... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542174.788757.jpg other side marked offp ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542195.807661.jpg primer ground off ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542232.727696.jpg tacked up


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  18. pennafxu
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    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542372.672647.jpg adjusting the tie Rod end of the bones to this frame level has thrown my caster angle in to the negative values... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542487.967487.jpg pie cutting time... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542520.535849.jpg stepped up to the cutoff wheel ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542580.858562.jpg single cut... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542673.447889.jpg bent ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542718.602264.jpg right around 7pos again ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421542790.010486.jpg


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  20. chaddilac
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    How's that front pan hard bar going to work???
     
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  21. pennafxu
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    That was just opening parts, and playing around... A tab will be welded parallel to the rear side of the front axle and side of the frame not the front x-member...


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  22. pennafxu
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    I'm going to come back and read the past few posts, BUT did you know Kris Elmer @Muffin builds his own friction shocks and they'll available for the rest of us soon? Contact him, damn nice guy and talented too.
     
  24. pennafxu
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    No I didn't! What is his website?


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  25. pennafxu
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    Not very well set up like that!! Lol
    That was just opening parts, and playing around... A tab will be welded parallel to the rear side of the front axle and side of the frame not the front x-member...


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  26. daddio211
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    I don't have permission... third try to post this, PM sent.

    Kris is @loudpedal, his brother Tim is @Muffin. Sorry for any confusion.
     
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    Ok so back with the build... ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624561.670578.jpg re-welded the left bung 5deg angle ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624597.508116.jpg other side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624629.493802.jpg inside frame ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624650.361368.jpg other side ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624683.449180.jpg hacked off and ground flush ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1421624714.917669.jpg other side


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