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  1. fordcragar
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    Ford never built a Model C engine, they were all B’s. The counterweighted crank came out in 1932.
     
  2. scottybaccus
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    I know why the sky is blue....
     
  3. Lets See ...

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  4. Nekronomicon
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    The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh ****tering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths p*** straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air. However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets ****tered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this ****tered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.
     
  5. The37Kid
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    Nobody mentioned DIAMOND blocks yet!:eek:
     
  6. AV8Paul
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    I have two 21 stud V8 diamond blocks. I have highlighted the diamond with grey paint
     

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  7. X38
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    That's good Harms Way, but I should have also added that it's the engine that's referred to as the C, not the 33/34 model 40 car itself. I hope we still agree!
     
  8. The37Kid
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    They're on V8's too!!:eek: I've been fooling around with Ford FourBangers since the 1960's and just found out about the B blocks with the diamond, what is the significance on the V8?
     
  9. seabeecmc
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    Only a '32 Ford is a DEUCE. A Deuce with a banger is a "B". There is no "C". The 1933-34 Ford four cylinder engine has been unofficially dubbed the Model 'C.' This designation cannot be found in Ford literature or correspondence. It is strictly a user connotation. Changes from the 'B' to the 'C' engine includeed: a crank shaft employing integrally forged counterbalances, a shortened three bolt water water pump housing and a 39 pound flywheel compared to a 62-1/2 pound flywheel provided with the Model 'A.' (The counterbalances make up the difference.) There were 263,765 Model 'B' (and 'C') engines produced between March 9, 1932 and late 1934. Regards, Ron
     
  10. 51 MERC-CT
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    DIAMOND blocks? What's with the Spade blocks?:) :D
     
  11. Harms Way
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    Yep !, I had found out about Mod.B,18,40,68, yadda, yadda, yadda,.... a long time ago,...... but after a search of the info from the Secrets of Speed,
    and Scalded Dog Speed Parts, I may have to pick up the marbles on the
    Mod.40 "C" 4 banger actually being a "B" engine ( as stated by SEEBEECMC ),......... HOWEVER !, In some old issues of " Four Banger " They published articles on the Mod 40 "C" engine. I haven't found any Ford do***entation
    to prove it one way or the other,........ sooooooooo I guess you learn something new / old everyday.
     
  12. 23 bucket-t
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    dude 500 post in 6 months not bad for a FNG I did not know what a Model B was ether, I heard of it but did not know nor do I know how to how to change from a 6 volt to a 12 volt. you remind me of a guy who was a hamber a while back who complained about posts he is not on here no more. so I would say lighten up if you want get any respect. this is a good post ................... have a nice day :) ............ P.S. you never introduced your self to the H.*A.*M.*B."Now did you," you should not have be posting until you introducest yourself. For Shame
     
  13. fordcragar
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    According to everything that I've read, they didn't build a "C" engine. But mention Model C and everyone knows what you are talking about.
     
  14. X38
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    I've always wondered about the full house flatty.
     
  15. Mr. Creosote
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    My Dr said I was impotent... So I went and bought me a new Jag XJ8, new suit and shoes.. Got a haircut... I figured if I's impotent I might as well look impotent...
     
  16. 4 2 GO
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    Actually the Model Y came first as this extract from the Ford.com website reveals.

    "Europe’s flagging fortunes were boosted by the introduction of the first Ford specifically designed for Europe, the 933cc Model Y. Designed inside five months, the Model Y was shown in prototype form at special Ford motor shows across Europe, starting with Ford Britain’s one-make exhibition at the Albert Hall, London, in February 1932. By August it was in production.

    Ten months from drawing board to full production was a remarkable achievement, but the situation was desperate."


    Edsel Ford saw the Model Y in protype and had the plans scaled up to build the Model 40, the 1933-34 full sized USA Ford.
     
  17. Irish Dan
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    I must be very sagacious! I ALWAYS ask questions! The day I stop asking questions is the same day I become omnipotent! (Reigning supreme in every way!) It is best IMO, to constantly switch roles from teacher to student and vice-versa!....I'm told that's how the smart get that way!
     
  18. HotRodMicky
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    I have a Model 40 Sedan with the original 4 banger.
    There is a "C" cast in the cylinder head.
    This is what they refer too.
    Michael
     
  19. AV8Paul
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    Nobody has been able to really shead any light on the diamond V8 blocks. When ol' Ron bored my engine .125 to make it a 239, he said there was still plenty of meat left in the cyl walls. Some say the diamond blocks were industrial or replacement engines.

    One more interesting thing, I was checking out a friends 59A block that he just rebuilt and I found a diamond in the sludge trap in the valve lifter area. Keep looking at these old Fords, you never know what you might spot.
     
  20. J'st Wandering
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    Got the other questions answered but not the one on "How do you tell the difference between a '28 and a '29 Model A?"

    So how do you?

    Neal
     
  21. Bruce Lancaster
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    All B heads from the years they were used in US vehicles ('32-4) were marked with a big "C"...this doesn't apply necessarily to the later diamonds and the B's built in England an Germany for LONG after '34...

    Best guess I've seen on the "C": Regular A head had -A suffix to id it in the book; ppolice high comp head for A had -B suffix in parts book and a "B" cast on top so it could be identified readily; so the next head variant to come along got marked "C"...
     
  22. revkev6
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    easiest way to tell on open cars is 1928 has no outer door handles, and 29 does
     
  23. kenagain
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    Hey mine says winfield on it how do I know what year it is and whether it is 6 or 12 volt?
     
  24. Bruce Lancaster
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    Working quickly, bolt one battery lead firmly to each end of head. Pos lead at front if pos ground, rear otherwise.
    If head melts, it was 6 volt. If battery explodes first, it was 12.
     
  25. Like the chart above sez

    Model B was 1932 only
     
  26. Bruce Lancaster
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    4 cylinder car for '32 was Model B, four cylinder for '33-4 was Model 46...but engine was still a B, with a minor sprinkling of model 46 parts added.
    Ford actually used the model B label very little...I think they generally just referred to four cylinder or "improved four cylinder" if necessary to distinguish from A.
    Also, all Ford parts introduced for the '32 Model that were used on both types, which would be most of the car except engine, had "B" part numbers, AND all Model A parts that still were used in production were recapped with B part numbers...so any A prefix part in the catalog after '32 is a part that fits ONLY A.
     
  27. Bigcheese327
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    It's like Gabby Garrison said in the interview with Street Rodder, they didn't refer to them as Model T's, just "Fords."

    As for the "Spade" flathead block, I've no idea, but if I may be permitted to begin an urban legend...

    Henry Ford had trouble with unions, as we all know. One of the ways he cir***vented this was by using labor that was unlikely to organize for the most unpleasant jobs. As a result, many African Americans who had come to Detroit during the Great Migration ended up working in Ford's foundries, producing his engine blocks. Now in the pre-WWII era "Spade" was a slang term for African-American, probably because in playing cards the spade is a black suit. The patternmaker for the Ford engines in those eras was so impressed by the hard work the African-American laborers put into the engine blocks, that when it came time to make new patterns for the improved 21 stud engine block, he included a spade in the casting in their honor.

    ;)

    -Dave
     
  28. J'st Wandering
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    How about tudors and coupes? I was told once that '28 have the "tuna can" taillight that is attached to the body. Later ones had the taillight on the fender. True? Seems too easy.

    Neal
     
  29. The37Kid
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    Yes, the early '28's had a tail light bracket that mounted to the body not the left rear fender. Easy way to tell is to open the hood and read the build date stamped in the firewall above the steering column.:rolleyes:
     
  30. seabeecmc
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    OK, no mention has been made of the availability of a banger through 1941 in your FORD pickup. Regards, Ron
     

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