Folks Of Interest Moderation Clarification... or a lack thereof...

Like it or not we are all doing RESTORATIONS on cars built in 1965 or earlier with parts available up until December 31, 1965. These are the parts we can easily see, and it is fine if they are all neatly TIG welded together, base coat clear paint is also fine. The HAMB is the best car site on the internet, sit back and enjoy it. Bob

 

Amen Flatheadpete!, my '51 has only one mod to the front suspension, lowered springs; won't be changing anything else! Part of the fun of the car is muscling that big ol' steering wheel around at low speeds and feeling the road.

 

Yeah, with a quiz at the end that requires a p***ing score! [emoji846]


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Perhaps a flashing or bold Read before you post criteria checklist at the top of each forum. The Hokey *** has no guidelines on opening page..

Rejection warning links to keywords like S10, Granada, M11 etc. to alert the poster that these are non applicable at the Hamb...

 

"Hot Rodding has always been putting the newest engines and transmissions in old bodies."
That statement is the essence of what we on the HAMB do.
We also upgrade frames, front and rear suspensions, brakes, etc. with both old and new or rebuilt parts. This has been done since the first person did some or all of this to an early automobile sometime around 1900.
Some or all of this was and is part of improving the performance and/or looks of the vehicle.
Some have been able to tastefully modify and improve the look of such vehicles and others have managed to screw up the previously good looks of a project. Just because you "can" chop, channel and section a '32, '29 or '40 Ford doesn't mean you should because it is pretty easy to screw up such a project and have it end up as a pile of ****!
I am starting to think I may have to return my Roadster to the way it looked when I started working on it (high boy style,'33 or '34 front axle,'56 Chev 265 V-8, '39 Ford trans and '48 Ford rear. By the way, that Chev V-8 was in my '37 Lincoln Zephyr prior to being in the Model A !
Since 1999 my roadster (1929 A) has had a mildly warmed up Ford 289 coupled with a C-4 Ford transmission and a 1978 8 inch rear end from a 1978 Mustang. The 289 was from one of our 1966 Ford Fairlanes, so was the trans. So are these parts Traditional? Not by the 1965 definition in the HAMB, BUT I had the parts available and used them!!!
What is my point you say? My son and I put together a full fendered roadster that looked like many of the Hot Rod "A's" I admired in the late 50's. It is not fancy put it is largely made up of FORD PARTS AND WE DID IT AT HOME !
You can tell me it's not perfect but you can't tell me it's not a Hot Rod !


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Ryan there have been some key ideas posted here to help you move forward. The one about reminding posters who start new threads about allowed content is a good one. Another is allowing cars with modern parts as long as these parts are not featured (i.e., shown or discussed). Just doing those things would cut down on required moderator actions considerably.

 

I think there is some confusion as to what "traditional" means. I always thought this board was about traditional hot rods. So, Cadillac had air bags in 1957. So what? Did traditional hot rods of the day have air bags. No. So why call air bags traditional.

 

You can ****yze until you are paralyzed, and that's where we are at. That's just my thoughts, I sincerely hope I didn't piss anyone off.

 

I got more
air lift claims they drove 'air sprung" cars from Michigan to Daytona then back

 

Well, I guess I don't know what a traditional hot rod is. I thought they were street driven.

 

the Air Lift company claims that Barris used "air springs" on the Batmobile

 

I still wish we had a traditional racing section. No Promods allowed.

 

Agreed!

 

It's not me. It's not what this site is about.

A friend of mine has a nice 55 Chevy. He spent a ton of money on a state of the art ch***is with fully independant suspension all around. He's putting a modern drivetrain in it. He doesn't understand why I have no interest in it.

It's his car, his money and he should do what he wants. I'm just not into to it. No big deal. This site isn't everything for everyone.

P.S. Mines a Pontiac, very few are interested in Pontiacs, traditional or not. I'm OK with that. LOL

 

Everyone wants to rewrite history and will find one example of a picture to support their argument and say it’s traditional, I can find something to support any argument if I try hard enough, doesn’t mean it was common. Nobody is saying there are not other kinds of hot rods in the world either....just not what this board focuses on. Most of the time the non traditional elements get overlooked if they are no focused on here.


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How many here know how the name of this website originated?

It's the internet, man. Stop taking it so seriously.

 

Sorry for that reply if it sounds sarcastic
I agree with you that it’s doubtful some kid bagged his 32 “back in the day”
Were bags used then like today? Doubtful as well
However hydro suspension was and the low rider “style “ can be traced back to Westguard
There were nascar and other round track guys that used air sprung cars as well as moon shiners
Some drag guys did too.
As a teacher, I get asked questions where enovations came from so we try to locate info and are often surprised how long some concepts and technologies have been around.
The only point is that I would hate to see the HAMB legislate and regulate itself into misery.
I don’t get upset if someone asks an S10 question because the mods can handle it. I do hate seeing someone leave mad due to their not understanding the nature of this site.
As stated before. How do you define traditional? I don’t know, ask the bossman

 

how come this one has coilovers in the front? must have the bags hidden in the back?

 

this is how the air lift site explained it
"He ran an air spring on his funny cars that was mounted off the rear of the axle and connected to the torque arm to help the car bite as it launched"
http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/05/know-real-history-air-suspension/

 

they sold helper springs not air suspencions

 

yep
a pneumatic way to alter/reinforce your suspension
still used today, A fiend of mine uses them on the rear of his Galaxy and has rear adjustable ride height

 

Look familiar?

That's a double-convoluted air bag, patented February 20, 1905.

Not a helper spring, at-all.

 

You did mention this previously in another thread. Racing which is undeniably involved in the Hamb and truly...yeah I call them Hotrods which they kinda are especially in the earlier years the lights and fenders came off whether it was drag strip or dry lake. But dedicated Traditional Race deserves a Forum and I believe @Ryan is well aware that that would make sense just how and when. But since ears are open for discussion I hope you guy's get a Slot...

 

I was researching the air suspension and you guys are correct this phenomenon goes back to 1902ish...quite extraordinary...can you imagine the pressure on buddy there from the spring guys...back in the day...come up with Ultra cool idea...problem cutting into someone elses pie...I am sure there was one or more guys who had their rides all done up with that technology and dropped some jaws for sure...

I think the main thing here is the technology is not a copy of per say its all new and M11 is way above 65 as well...there is the conundrum.

If its not pre 65 its inspired technology mimicing vintage invention and it was off the ***y line in Caddilac in the fifties so this is what has to be given consideration...

No doubt if a fella did ever put it in a modified car say a hotrod or custom prior to 65 he would have faced the wrath...

 

Thanks for your efforts.

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I am just waiting for the end of time, lol. I am traditional in my way of thinking but my brain is starting to hurt reading these back and forth comments. Bottom line , it is Ryan's show and we all have the bond of enjoying the old school ways of building and driving pre 1965 tin. Everyone grab a drink, sit back and take a deep breath or two or three .

 

you guys can get a pension for drinking tequila? You definitely live in the greatest country in the world

Seriously tho, I thought the "to the letter" builds and "to the letter posts" went into the Trad Hot Rods section or into the Trad customs section, and the stuff that was pre64 but not "to the letter" stuff went into the Hokey ***ed Message Board.

So Jag IFS was pre 64 but not trad so it went to HAMB. I see in the comments on IFS that maybe its only the aftermarket M2 type stuff thats being talked about.

I appreciate the site and wish to try and stick to the rules, even with my Jag IFS

 

It was also bags but this is really about whats on your mind about inspired builds and how to make rules and guidelines more visible to new members. Several builds were 3-5 years old with a great percentage of traditional inspiration thrown in the mix. The threads were locked. Members some Alliance are a little on edge and probably would like to continue with their highly followed builds. This is why Ryan has asked for opinions.

You are absolutely correct the HAMB forum is for the inspired builds and conversation related.

 

We are specifically talking about bags. Bags specific...to compare this to caterpillar tracks and Hotrod/Custom is an insulting attack on something you would rather not discuss or even entertain as relevant conversation.

Furthur to that you have no idea if this technology was ever applied by someone to a custom/hotrod in the Hamb period.

All we are discussing is the possibility that that technology may have been experimented with in a custom way during the Hamb Coverage period. I totally however am quite clear what your stance is on it.

Filed May 28, 1945 Patented Feb. 7, 1950 UNITED STATES PATENT O F FlCE I'NEUMATIC SUSPENSION .MEAN S Arthur F. Smith, Brooklyn, N. ApplicatiomMay'28, 1945, Serial No. 596,315

2 Claims.

The present invention relates to new and useful improvements in pneumatic suspension means for motor vehicles and other rolling stock, the principal object being to provide suspension means of the pneum'atic't'ype which will dispense with the need for spring shackles, leaf springs, shackle bolts and various other structures and elements now used on vehicles for absorbing shock.

An important object of the invention is to provide a shock absorbing pneumatic suspension means adapted to take the place of leaf and coil springs on automobiles and other vehicles, which is so constructed as to withstand tremendous shock and which allows for employment in an equalization system whereby the amount of air in each unit can be regulated to compensate for the weight of the load, or the character of terrain over which the vehicle is to operate.



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