So 77-95 SBF heads have pedistal mount rockers? Are they any good(do they brake)? Mine is an 83, is this a roller or regular tappet engine? This motor has a rear sump pan and has another bulge in the front, what is it and can a regular front sump pan/oil pickup go on it? I was thinking about a crane powermax cam, 288 advertised duration and 488 lift(it's a single pattern)with the crane high intensity lifters(used to be called fast bleed, like a rohdes lifter)cuase it's a relativly low compression motor. -Jesse
The real question is, How fast do you want to go? Which is a latin phrase that translates into, How much do you want to spend? Do the late-model heads break? Not often. The cam company can tell you which cams you can't use with pedestal rockers and then they'll be happy to sell you some pedestal mounted roller rockers! The heads can be ported to make decent power, but for serious HP, you need aftermarket heads. Again, how fast do you want to go and how much do you want to spend? '83 was not a roller cam - 85 was the first year for the roller cam and only in Mustang GTs. I think all 302s got the hydraulic roller in 86-87 timeframe. Yes a regular oil pan will go on with the proper pickup. The pan you have is a fox-body pan and is just fine as long as it fits your application although if you're set on running a high-volume pump, you'll have to use countersunk screws on the cover and may still have to dimple the pan a bit. For cam recommendations, I'd talk to the cam companies. Again, they'll ask you how fast do you want to go and what you're going to do with the car. For SBF, I'd go with a split-pattern cam - especially with stock heads as the exhaust is semi-crippled. You should get plenty of good advice on here, but what are you trying to do with the car?
Flat Ernie pretty well said it. Single pattern cams in small block Fords with stock heads and full exhaust systems are the Kiss Of Death! What will this engine be going into??? What transmission and gear ratio??? What will it weigh??? If you're just screwing together a driver or a low-buck cruiser, the stock heads and valvetrain will work well with a mild dual pattern hydraulic cam. Keep your duration @ .050" under 222 degrees on the intake side and you should be happy with it. Think RV type cam here. Ford equipped Mustangs and some other 302 engines with a factory aluminum 4v intake manifold that accepts a Holley square-bore carb in the mid 80s. Those intakes are dirt cheap and will work well for a mild build-up. Moving up the ladder, the Edelbrock Performer is a great choice for a relatively stock rebuild where a little more "ooomph" is desired. Carb selection should be a 600cfm Holley vacuum secondaries carb. Get a universal one if you can swing it...the factory Mustang Holley carbs of the 80s work okay, but they are cluttered with emissions and vacuum tubes that you won't need. You can block 'em off and those carbs DO accept standard Holley jets, power valves, secondary springs, and other tuning parts, though. Definately run headers...small block Fords NEED 'em to help compensate for their lousy exhaust port design. Factory 'shorty' ones from a Mustang work a LITTLE better than stockers, but spend a few coins more for some good street headers if you can! The hot set-up for 289 Fords in the 60s was a 'tri-y' design. They really boost midrange power...but might look odd in anything but a 66 Mustang, if that concerns you!!! In short, if your engine is in good order, it will serve you well with a few well-chosen bolt on speed parts. The dual sump pan can be changed to a standard front sump design as long as you include to appropriate pick-up tube for the selected oil pan. (I just rob the tube and pan off of the same engine in a junkyard when I need to swap 'em!).
I'm actually in the process of refreshing a donor 351W for my '56 Fairlane. What I plan first & foremost is making sure it's solid. New oil & waterpumps (recommendation from friends) new timing chain. Maybe a .030 bore. THEN, I'll probably go for Edelbrock Performer RPM cam & intake, just because they're "matched". If I need to replace valves, springs, & have a little porting done, I might as well buy some iron heads. I have a 570 Holley that's going on top, but as someone already said, the 600 vacuum secondary is the best bang for the buck. Of course, it will have some sort of headers - whatever will fit. Again, depending on the power, rear end gearing and limited slip or posi would come into play. I've heard a 3.50 ratio would give good acceleration & still make it driveable on the highway. What tranny are you using? I have a C4 automatic. If you are using a really hot cam, you will need a hotter stall torque converter. For what it's worth, my brother had an '82 Mustang as one of his first cars. Putting a 600 Holley & headers on it made a huge difference. I believe it was something like a second and a half in the quarter mile.
It's going in a 64 ranchero(maybe), it was a factory V8 and 3 speed(in other words I don't know what gears). The motor has an AOD so thats what I'll use. The headers will have to wait($$$$), I want to run the fast bleeds so I can run a bigger cam than normal, the reason for the single pattern cam is because it's cheap. I have a 625 carter that will go on it, as far as intake I will probably run a stock 4 bbl either an iron or aluminum one, which ever I find first(for like 20 bucks). This motor will built on the cheap, think super stocker for under $500. -Jesse
I am also watching this and any sbf threads as Metalshapes just delivered my 1971 Ford 351W 2V engine on Sat for my 1954 Sedan. ' That 625 cfm Carter should be just about right for a mildly built 302. Any more than 650 cfm and you should start thinking about really building that engine. I think Fords like 550-650 cfm to run well. Any more light that can be shed on this subject is welcome.
If your heads have that funny little hump in the exhaust port, you can knock it down with a die grinder. I have a 79 model 302 that I'm getting ready to build. I plan to do this, it will help the flow alot. You could also go with a set of 87-89 mustang gt heads. They flow very well and can be gotten at a good price.
Okay some more questions, the pedistal rockers are 1.7:1 versus Furds usual 1.6? Will the real early Block letter FORD rocker covers fit over the pedistal mount rockers? An finally did furd use a short water pump and long water pump, or some thing along those lines? -Jesse
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=93198&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 looks like av8 has taken down the pictures, or something, because they are now pics of what appears to be Fuller's 'liner. '69-'74 351w heads are the best that were avalible stock. The Performer intake will perform the same as a stock one. I'm using Rhodes lifters and am very happy with them.
Good info, I'm saving it for when I put some earlier heads on her. Performer flows the same as the stock iron? Hmmm now to find someone hotrodding a stock engine, I've always been a Chevy guy and we congregate together so I have no "hook ups" on ford parts, time for a want ad. -Jesse
Small block rockers were all 1.6 (I think) - the 351C used 1.72 as did the other Lima engines (351M, 400, 429, 460). Pretty sure 302/351W pedestals were all 1.6 though - someone please correct me if I'm wrong here. The early Ford rocker covers should fit with stock rockers - pedestal mounted rollers are a whole different can of worms. You'll have to check. For small blocks - there wasn't a short or long pump, so much as there was normal rotation/reverse rotation. Anything after about 83 with serpentine belt should be reverse rotation. This also means the inlet for the pump is on the opposite side as traditional pumps. The length or distance of the pulleys never changed to my knowledge.
Mine had serpentine belts, but is standard rotation(with the motor). Those block letter covers just look real shallow and I don't want the rockers rubbing(like 327 covers on a SBC). I was on www.cranecams.com and thought I saw it as being 1:7 but It was probably the Boss 351 rocker I was looking at. -Jesse
[ QUOTE ] Mine had serpentine belts, but is standard rotation(with the motor). [/ QUOTE ] If you've got serpentine, you've got what is called a reverse rotation pump (unless the original setup has been modified ). It's called that because up until '83 or so when the serpentine small blocks came out, all other water pumps turned the other way. Nowadays, they all turn "reverse" - silly this language/perception set, eh? The 1.72 rockers were used on 351C for sure. You might be able to run them on a 302 - I've never checked to see if they fit or not. I think the pedestal mount is the same, so why not? Good luck!
Here's a lil' drawing of the front belt which drives; water pump(the circle with 4 dots), the alternator(upper right hand pulley), and power sterring(lower right). the arrows show rotation, sorry for the shitty drawing just wanted to show how it was. -Jesse
Is that stock? Never seen a setup like that from the factory - In any event, you're right - you don't have a reverse rotation pump. My apologies
Yup it's stock for an 83 Mercury Gran Marquies. You had me worried when you said reverse rotation. Just wanted to make sure it was standard rotation. -Jesse
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