So I just found a guy that wants to sell me two 56 Merc Y-Blocks. One ran when he pulled it out of his Montclair, the other looks rebuilt with some custom accessories. One has a 4 speed, the other a 2 speed auto. Both have four barrel intakes with carbs and duel exhaust manifolds. I need to know would these drop into my '54 Ford? Or what would I need to do to get them in there? Any info or specs on these motors would be great. I want to put the one with the 4 speed in my RPU project. Thanks in advance.
They will both work well in your 54 ford with no problems, 54 was the year they switched the frames over to ball joint suspension, so you loose that front crossmember in the 49-53 which unfortunatley hampered a great deal of engine swappers.. with the 54 the frame was set up for the first ford overhead v-8... swap away,, we are putting a 460 into a 51 shoebox right now and thats a bitch
I sold my '23 T a while back but I have to finish it . ( Sold it to a preacher , and he frowned a little when I told him it had Black SATAN paint ) Anyway , it has a Y block and automatic , and I need the sprocket that bolts to the convertor , and drives the pump . Does anybody have one they'd sell me ? Thanks .
They are not a direct swap as the 54 239 has a completely different belt/pulley/fan set-up. By installing the 54 front on the 56 312 you are good to go.
[ QUOTE ] I sold my '23 T a while back but I have to finish it . ( Sold it to a preacher , and he frowned a little when I told him it had Black SATAN paint ) Anyway , it has a Y block and automatic , and I need the sprocket that bolts to the convertor , and drives the pump . Does anybody have one they'd sell me ? Thanks . [/ QUOTE ]I have some automatic transmissions but I do not recognize your terminology. What parts do you need? are you asking for the flexplate?
Manyolcars , no , it has no seperate flexplate . The starter ringgear is part of the cast aluminum torque convertor. It has a steel hub type piece that bolts to that on the tranny side , that slides into the tranny when it is all bolted together . That hub type piece is what I need , it has 2 ears sticking out ( to drive the tranny pump ? )And the one I've got has one of the ears broke off . Thanks .
286merc, even tho they have minor differences, a y block is a y block. Why would you want to put 54 parts on a 56? I know they made 54 engines in two different plants and the parts do not interchange. The 54 is truly a bastard, but I believe that you can pull out any y block and replace it with any other y block. metalshapes, I will go out and look at my parts.
Bruce - It sounds like Metalshaper needs the coupler in the center of the torque converter that drives the pump. The one in my Merc-O-matic got busted when the transmission was disconnected from the engine block. Evidently the torque converter needs to be unbolted from the flexplate prior to separation. If it isn't, the coupler seems to take the full load of the transmission and snaps! It wasn't a particularly cheap lesson. Those couplers can be a bit hard to find!
Rocket , Thats the piece . The Engine is out of a '60 truck , the Tranny out of a mid '50 s car , both rebuild by previous owners . The hub was busted when I got it . So thats bad news ,Eh ?
Rocket Scientist Chris is Right. Thats why SHE is the Rocket Scientist and I am NOT. The piece you want was broken on disassembly of my 54, its missing on my 56 trans and the 59 trans has a flex plate separate from the torque converter. You and every one is welcome to any and all of this junk. I've seen a picture of RS Chris--> if SHE wants this stuff, its FREE!
286merc, even tho they have minor differences, a y block is a y block. Why would you want to put 54 parts on a 56? I know they made 54 engines in two different plants and the parts do not interchange. The 54 is truly a bastard, but I believe that you can pull out any y block and replace it with any other y block. metalshapes, I will go out and look at my parts. You are correct, there are 2 different 239's, Dearborn and Cleveland built. But that doesnt involve the nose of the engine. The 54 has a high mounted water pump and a 1 year radiator; this can most easily be accomodated by swapping the complete 54 front cover onto the 292. In addition if you are replacing a stick 239 or 256 from an early 54 Ford/Merc with a later motor then you also need to use a flywheel to crank spacer. Just some of the little Ford gotchas that can bite you on the ass if youre not prepared. I went thru the flywheel drill recently putting a 292 in a F600 with a real early 256. I also had a few minor issues putting a 292 in my 54 F350 as well as a 312 in a friends 54 Merc. Other differences exist between car, TBird and truck Y's. This involves exhaust, oil pans, dip sticks & tubes, motor mounts. The 54 exhaust manifolds will not port align properly with a later engine and not all stock later dual exhaust manifolds will allow a clear path for a pipe on the drivers side.
Manyolcars , thanks for taking the time to look at your spare parts . If I would have known that part was going to be that hard to find , I probably would have build that T with a stick . Can I switch to the other style torque convertor or is that opening up a whole new can-o-worms ?
Just put the 292 into your 54, NO PROBLEMS, throw away all that 54 239 shit... it aint rocket science... I seem to have done it many times without all this DIP STICK talk and OIL PANS.. whats the big issues? it's a simple engine swap. I just put a 292 into a 50 ford, that took some minor fabrication carry on shop manual techs.. germ
Kewl, thanks guys for all the info. Man, nothing like learnin about a car/engine/tranny/etc. by having one break down!!! Now, to figure out how to pay for them.....
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