WTF............The kid goes to school, no drugs or booze..........He just has a bad at***ude toward driving.......Hardly S***........just needs a bit of guidance...............Guess you have been so ****in perfect your whole life.
so he's the little ******* that tryed running me off the road...lol Yrs ago i'm in town at night going 35 in a 25 to get these ***hole tailgating kids off my ***. They start flashing their lights and i thought... **** i have my nice trailer hitch in the back of the receiver from just unhooking the trailer...hee hee so i lock them up and watch the ******* kids just barely miss my old heap...lol They went about a block then turned off on a side street flipping me off. I got the last laugh with them.
Perfect? This kid stole from me and my wife,drove our cars when we were at work,wrote checks out of my wifes checking account for cash,these checks he stole out of the new check storage box.does drugs,knocked up 2 girls,stole a bunch of my tools and sold for whatever,Has been caught driving without a license,because his was suspended,spent 1 1/2 years in prison,Can never again hold a valid Ohio drivers license, Perfect? Perfect? Walk a mile in my shoes Pal!
First thing you need to do is go home and bust your wife right between the running lights! He probably isn't your kid after all?? He probably acts just like his REAL father!!! (sorry, just kidding) It IS a real problem and I hope and pray that he learns before hurting himself or worse, someone else.
I read story about Mob boss Paul Castelano. The car he was in, cut off another, and the kids in the other car did what you say your son does. The finger, threats, etc. Figured he was just some old coot. He had his driver record the plate, and traced it, sent some people to the house to wait for the kids, when they came out they grabbed them and took them to his house. He met with them with about 20 guys from the Family. Scared the **** out of them. Let them know that you never know who you're fliiping off when in the car. Then, sent them home. I bet they stopped their ********...
You know, I read this stuff and I realize why we have so many absentee fathers in this world. It seems so many men feel like bringing a kid into the world was an accident and a burden and they want to get rid of the responsibility as soon as possible. Those kids are your responsibility, you don't just bring them into the world then kick them out as soon as you are able, cause they'll end up doing the same to you when you are too old to do things for yourself. BTW, driving itself is, in fact, a Right. The Right to Liberty as described in our founding do***ents, and upheld by various courts. The Priviledge is driving something nice or something fast. The problem is people think that it must be a priviledge because A) we started to require licenses, and b) it comes with Responsibilities, when every Right comes with Responsibilities (for example, the Right to Bear Arms comes with the Responsibility of not shooting anyone). If you abdicate Responsibility, the Right can be taken fron you. This kid has abdicated his Responsibilities, and should have the Right to drive taken from him. A bus or a license-free scooter should be the mode of transport till he gets figured out what causes the personality change when he gets behind the wheel. "Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this Cons***utional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct." [emphasis added] II Am.Jur. (1st) Cons***utional Law, Sect.329, p.1135.
Within 4 mos. of me getting a license I had a wreck. Dad grounded me for 1 yr. of driving a car. Period. I had to pay for my own insurance, car, gas, etc. I had to work on my own car. Dad would supervise, but I'd do the work. Had to buy my own tools. Most kids now don't have to do anything but p*** thier licence test. My kid had to get a job to pay for his own car, tools, insurance. I taught him the same way I was taught. When he turned 18 he was ready to be on his own car wise. he was in a few wrecks, but were not his fault. Some girl rear ended him at a stoplight, another guy flipped a car he was riding in. I told him he was on his own trying to find a ride if he started getting tickets or having wrecks.
Put the car up on blocks, remove some small vital part (rotor, coil wire) and let him walk for a bit. He still lives at your house, he follows your rules. He don't like it, have him find an apartment and kill himself on his own nickel. Jail is not a nice place.
Where in Kansas? I'll be glad to show him how much money I wasted acting like that, or as has already been suggested, scare him a little.
A couple other things I was gonna' say earlier... A guy I knew bought my friend's 440/727/8.75 '69 Valiant hot rod for his 16 year old son. I thought that was a candy *** gold-chainer move at the time. But he held it over his kid's head: drugs, booze, illegitimate fatherhood, bad grades, tickets, or any other problem - and Dad's Valiant was no longer available for Junior to bracket race. Kid toed the line, and is now graduating from college soon. Use of carrot as well as stick. Other point; I got in a hurry to get logged off computer earlier. I'd jump in on the recommendation re: anger management due to my life history. Ask the guys at the first garage I worked at, or my lawyer who had to take care of the second time I rammed someone in a car because they pissed me off. Point is I don't want to come across like it's a 'holier-than-thou' thing. More like a 'been-there-done-that-got-the-mother****in-T-shirt' thing. And of course, my signature line always applies. -bill
every morning. wake him up by throwing cold water on him and kicking him in the nuts. he'll cut the **** real quick. 18 or 38 live under my roof and its all about respecting both me and yourself. and im 24.
Along the same lines, how about building a good demolition derby car as a father/son project. It'd likely be cheaper than a Street Stock. For under a grand, you can build a very stout car that'll last through several derbies. I started racing and running Demos at age 17. I became a lot less aggressive street driver because I had an outlet for that stuff. Plus you could share driving and both have some fun.. Jan...do it in the dirt!
Gotta agree with the idea of building up a father/son car project. It's never too late to do, even when he's in his 40s it'd be a fun thing. I also think that it's something that should be started early, so any kid getting their first car is getting one they and their parent worked on together to get a sense of sweat equity. And making a car together that's a race car so they can take out their need for speed on the track is a doubly good idea. That's my tactic with my stepson. He's 14 and hopefully soon we can start work on his car ('63 Mercury Comet), if I could find an inexpensive way of getting it from my folk's house in Western Washington out here to MD...
Hey ***hole.....we were talking about the kid from the 1st post in this thread, who is basiclly a good kid except for his driving habits.......not your retarded spawn. Try to keep on subject, or at least say if you are changing it to someone else.
I agree here...there is no better cure for bad drivers...make him ride a bike for two years minimum, then he'll see what bad drivers do to bikes, and he'll also find out how hard pavement really is.
tell him to get his own car, in his name. Pay for his insurance and pay for his own fines. If he cant afford it, then tell him oh, well. Your done picking up the slack. If he doesnt learn from all that, then he may never will or maybe God Forbid he kills someone and he's locked up for Vehicular Man-slauter for a few dozen years. Same happened to my buddies son. Loved to fight. In and out of jail, until now. Sitting in prison for 10-15 years, wishing he made better life choices. Remind him, Driving is a priveldge, not a right!
Drag his *** to the local hospital to talk to the kids/adult who are now para/quadrapalegic. Let him hear there stories and see what they have lost. Let him see the crash photos! Sell all his rides, take him to the dmv to get just an ID then take his license from him for six more months. Or just kick his ***, sell his stuff and buy yourself a new project. Just my take on it. Good LUCK!!!
You mentioned that you know a lot of cops. Perfect. Give every one of them his plate number and a description of his car. Ask them to write his sorry *** for every thing they can find, on a daily basis. When he racks enough tickets up, no insurance company will touch him. Problem solved. Thats what my dad did, worked like a charm. Knew every cop in town. I couldn't get away with anything. I got a ticket for 62 MPH in a 25, right in front of a city park. Talk about stupid. Coulda killed someone. Dad knew about it before the ink was dry on the ticket. I got a three hour *** reaming, from which my ears are still ringing 16 years later. The unfortunate thing is, that sooner or later, he'll either kill someone, as others have mentioned, or he's gonna get the **** kicked out of him ****ing with the wrong people. Good luck, man. Hope you can figure out how to get his **** straightened out before its too late. BTW...you might search for some 60s vintage drivers ed films and make him watch them. They are the goriest thing ever to hit the big screen. They showed one at work a few months ago as a joke, thought I was gonna lose my lunch.....
My kid kinda grew up out in the shop helping on the race cars or whatever. Before he got his license he was riding with his buddy in a borrowed car....his numb-nuts buddy overcooks it on a mountain p*** road and does an aileron roll through a guardrail and down into a canyon. They both survived but that kinda put the fear of God into the boy and now at the ripe old age of 30 he has only had one minor speeding ticket (towing his "toybox" trailer over 55 mph). We built a bracket racer when he was 16 and ended up winning the NHRA High School Drags at Pomona in 1996.........he did 99% of the work on the racer....and he still has it today. They need a REALITY CHECK. Now he is just a regular old family guy......with a slammed, chopped shoebox (chip off the old block).
I GUESS IM LUCKY MY SON JUST TURNED 16,IS VERY INTO SPORTS SO HE HAS NO TIME FOR A JOB-NO JOB NO CAR...HE ALSO KNOWS IF HE GETS HIS LISCENCE AND DRIVES ON OF OUR CARS(DAILY DRIVERS) AND Fs UP WHAT WILL HAPPEN("DAD WILL KILL ME")
time for him to get a yugo or fiesta, something that he can not feel cool in or will go over 55, paint it rattle can pink and tell him its his going to college car (no other use unless he wants to buy his own car)... hard to get into much trouble with a **** box.. but keeping him in college is important. maybe put your phone number across the back of it. "if my son drives like an *** call ###, ####..."
This was just on the news this morning. quote Two people are dead and two more in the hospital after an accident in Dodge County early Sunday morning. Georgia State Trooper, Cyrus Brown, says a 17-year-old girl lost control of her car on Jim Ross Road about 1:40 a.m. Sunday. She had three p***engers. Brown says the car flipped several times throwing 17-year-old Kyle Hillard and 22-year-old Lewis Koernig from the car. Both died at the scene. The 17-year-old girl and a 15-year-old male p***enger were to taken to the hospital. Brown says both are expected to recover from their injuries. The trooper says they believe alcohol was a factor in the accident. He says charges are pending against the 17-year-old driver. The accident is still under investigation. http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local_story.aspx?storyid=32324 Just try to spend time with him as you did yesterday as you know we all have been there..
Where I live we have a lot of 2 lane roads with lots of curves. This year we lost 30 people in our county to accidents. Most of them were young kids racing without seatbelts. On friday one 18 year old Marine died less than a mile from our house, and another is in critical condition. In my day ( I am 62) we raced on straight roads and not on the curves as our cars did not handle like todays cars. Your son will outgrow this phase, the trick is surviving until then. Take away his car and make him earn it back.
I have a friend that drove (maybe still drives) like an idiot, in high school he wanted the Chevy SS truck that was big at the time. His dad the smart lawyer he was could have very well afforded the truck but chose to buy him and old Mercedes...it was diesel! He could only spin the tires in reverse!
You may want to show him this: Ladera Ranch woman killed in 241 collision Nicole Catsouras, 18, lost control of a Porsche 911 at over 100 mph before crossing median and crashing into northbound toll booth. An Ladera Ranch woman was killed in a two-car collision on the south side of the Eastern (241) Toll Road in Lake Forest on Tuesday. Nicole Catsouras, 18, lost control of a black Porsche 911 Carrera while attempting to p*** another vehicle at more than 100 mph, California Highway Patrol officials said. The Porsche crossed the center median, traveled across north lanes and the Alton Parkway southbound on-ramp, before colliding into a toll booth building.Catsouras was pronounced dead at the scene from head trauma. Police said she was attempting to p*** a gray Honda Civic traveling about 70 mph in the far left lane, when the Porsche clipped the Honda and lost control.The Honda then veered to the left and hit the center median. The driver of the Honda, a 20-year-old man from Rancho Santa Margarita, was taken by ambulance to Mission Hospital with minor to moderate injuries. Both drivers were wearing seatbelts. Police found open alcoholic beverage containers inside of the Honda but alcohol is not suspected as a cause of the collision, CHP officials said. A toll booth operator was believed to be in the structure at the time of the accident. There were no additional injuries, CHP officials said. Do an internet search on that woman's name and you can show your boy photos of what a 18 year old looks like after she hits a toll booth at 100 mph. The photos are very graphic.
put him on a "work license" keys get handed over to you when he is not at school or work. should last at least the duration of his probationary period.
gas4blood These posts and others too are right on track. Regardless whether he is 18 or whatever age, he is your son! If something happens to him, now or later, NO daughter - in - law. No grand children etc. Stop what ever you are doing and run / rush and get help from folks who can provide it. Anger Management is a good place to start. I would also think about talking to the Judge, Police, Sheriff, Highway Patrol, Doctors in ER etc. Not just the little guys, start at the top. They will listen, help, and refer you to others. Let them provide whole list of their professional suggestions to deal with this anti-social behavior. Your son needs to learn to tell the truth (this might come from anger management or some other type of counseling). Next he needs to learn respect. I guess it sounds like I am preaching a little, but I feel for all you are experiencing and probably keeping some inside too. You might need family counseling to learn how best to deal with correcting his behavior. I like the idea of taking the keys away etc. These are tough love concepts and actually work very well. This might be the hardest thing you ever have to do as a parent, but you have the courage to ask for advise. Best of luck. Please keep us updated of the progress. DFE
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