this is the ifs that i got for the shoebox it is off a 03 crown vic has 12' brakes a coil over shock set up and is aluminum
And it's really wide and takes high positive offset wheels! Drag a tape measure from wheel hub to hub and compare to your shoebox front end.
ok "Drag a tape measure " i did that the tape is the first thing i take to the yard i know it is to wide but it will be narrowed I'm not using the first motor i wanted it was a Y block now I will be using a 4.6 from a mark viii so i need a rack up font not in the rear cause of the rear sump setup on the 4.6 and i also have a guy that is narrowing the marks irs for the rear sorry i know this stuff is not totally the H.A.M.B way but it is a custom/rod and you use what you got jamco disc brake $449 jamco drop springs $195 or areostar drop springs $60 or air bags $120 plus the king pin rebuild or the $400 needle baring setup
And only an hour and a half later Words are coming out kinda slow today huh? Does the term "disingenuous" apply here? Frank
You are aware that when you narrow the IFS/IRS, you throw all the OEM geometry out the window, right?
So does lowering or raising one, at all, or putting different offset wheels or different diameter tires, (as I look at the car in your avatar...)
WOW ......... I thought this forum was suppose to be for support - not cutting one's legs off from under him (her). The guy was happy about his score ........ took the time to post some pix & then gets a ration of **** from people that aren't even going to help him out. I'd have 2 words for those people right about now .... GFYS. Myself ....... I thought right off ..... neat ... an updated front suspension. Big brakes & R & P steering. Not as HAMB friendly as we'd expect but hey not my car. Good luck - looks like a LARGE/WIDE challange. Keep us posted on your progress. Or should I just add to the negitiveness?? Maybe it's just me ......... or not. Paco aka/ Ratty 46
Do you plan on a custom made rack? If I remember right these CV front ends are in the 64" wide range for track width (maybe even wider like 65"+?), with the high positive offset wheels on them. So given that you are going to use the stock CV or Mustang high positive offset wheels you are going to have to take at least a 5" to 6" whack out of the middle of the suspension, and likewise the same out of the rack. Custom made racks are not cheap and also not power. Small power racks are even more expensive and then you would need a custom centerlink to attach the tie rods to. After the front end is narrowed, are you going to have enough room for a MOD motor? Even the single OHC models are pretty wide. Seems like a ton of work and expense. A couple of weekends and some fab skills could net you a Mustang II that would fit correctly and probably be a ton cheaper when done. Not to mention probably be less fab work than this. Is the center crossmember cast or pressure die-cast? 'Cause PD-C isn't very weldable for high strength applications like this.
(Elpolacko) I thought so ......... I'll continue with the meds......... Now that's what I'm talking about (Elpolacko's input). Given the guy some intersesting info that he should ponder prior to cutting his factory stuff out from under the car. I would listen to this guy ...... I've seen his stuff on the net & trucks he's built. This is why I joined - objective, real, positive thoughts & directions. Paco aka/ ratty 46
Yeah, but the car in my avatar wasn't built for the street. It only had to go well in a straight line and cover 1,320 feet from a standing start in the shortest amount of time. On the street, it would have been a disaster waiting to happen. For the younger crowd who don't know the car in my avatar, it's the Ramchargers High & Mighty '49 Plymouth business coupe, built by a group of Chrysler Corporation engineers about '59/'60 to run in C/Altered cl***. When first constructed, it was powered by a 354 hemi short block with 392 heads. Later, the short block was changed to 392. There were no good racing slicks available in those days. The only thing available was hard rubber slick recaps on truck tire carc***es, so the thinking was that if you put weight on the tires through weight transfer (jackin' the car up) you could get a little better bite. That's the way it was until Marvin and Harry (M&H) stepped up and began making dedicated soft rubber slicks.
Sorry I hit a nerve for some ......... I'm sure the thread starter might have pondered some of this prior to laying out some cash for the front. Maybe NOT all of it but some. Then again ........ I don't spend as much time here (at the HAMB) as I use and I tend to be a bit more objective with my retorts. Again - It must be me ........ I'll go back to what I was doing. Paco
Plan on spending at least $450 for a custom fit non-power rack from Unisteer. Thats what we did after narrowing an IFS for my daughters Nash Metro. I'll admit we would have saved time had we spent a little more cash for a kit made for Metros, but when a 14 year old girl is financing her own car, you do what ya have to.
If he were building a `57-79 Ford Truck,fine,by all means put that thing in and have a fun. BUT,he is not,he wants to put it in a car that is way too narrow for it to fit right at all,then spend a bunch of extra time and money narrowing it,thus completely defeating the original reason why he chose to go with it in the first place: cost. Sell the CV IFS on here to a guy building a Ford truck,cause they fit almost perfect in them,then go get yourself one of those MII crossmember kits.
change yer tampon there Nancy. just trying to point out something he may not have thought of. if you've been around the block even once (or opened an issue of Ole Skool Rods) you've likely seen some pretty poorly thought out ****. it would be unwise for one to ***ume (unless you know the poster) that all the necessary thought was put into it... i was'nt trying to be negative in the least. just concerned it might not have been thought through thoroughly.
Again - (kustombuilder) looks like I hit a nerve ......... sorry. I'll have to p/u a OKS and see what your building. I'm sure your degree in ch***is design & building lends to the validity of your personal opinions here. You'll be the first one I contact for ***istance ....... not. Looks like your "thoughts" were a piggy backoff of what Elpolacko actually came up with - kb- "you took the words right out of my mouth". At least I'm original. As for the tampon - open that mouth of yours & insert it - sounds like your very familiar with them ..... I love guys that run thier mouth over the net ...... typical. Paco
I've read these crossmembers are a near bolt in for early 60's Ford trucks. I would bet that Elpolacko is on the money that its to wide. The other part that I didn't see was if the crossmember or the framerails will be used. I am not sure where this will end up but I will be watching with interest. I personally think that an S10 clip would be money better spent. There is one locally listed on CG for $125 (rolling ch***is) and $250 (roller w/some sheetmetal). If I wasn't laidoff I might own one or both. Wonder if the Shoebox in question is a Tri 5 CHEVY?????
Pretty much anything Kustombuilder says about suspensions and ch***is design is going to be right on. He knows what he is talking about, he isn't just pulling info out of his ***. He worked at a suspension shop for many years and works at the Ionia Hot Rod shop when they need a hand. If you know anything you know they build some of the best hot rod ch***ises period. Not to mention working for GM and installing air ride suspensions out of his home shop in everything from hot rods and kustoms to min-trucks and muscle cars , and then there are the tech articles for Rod and Kulture.
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