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Mystery A - Help ID this suckuh

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jeem, Sep 9, 2006.

  1. Jeem
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    Boone's thread about the smooth Hals showed a pic of this car that I've been trying to find out more about for YEARS. I first saw it, or, a portion of it in RnC shortly after they came back in '88. It was in the letters section and they were joking about the car, making it out to be a rare factory prototype. At least I THINK they were kidding! The letter said it was a 28 or 9 but the cowl is more like a 30-1. Another thing of note, is that it has a cool cowl vent on the side. This car is so cool, only thing better, is if it sat on a deuce frame.

    Anybody with any info SPEAK UP!

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  2. speedtool
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    If it's the same one I saw back in '98 it has Mercury badges all over it.... never talked to the driver.
     
  3. You're kiddin',right?:D
     
  4. Kevin Lee
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    The whole thing looks 30-31 to me. It's in that Peter Vincent coffee table book - small picture taken from far away there too though - and there is a sort of tongue-in-cheek reference to it really being a Lincoln or the owner insisting it's really a Lincoln or something.

    Just looks like a nicely built A sedan with a set of wheels I would love to see on my car.
     
  5. I_be_moose
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    Saw something similar a few years back in a rod mag. Said something about it being a Canadian Model
     
  6. Jeem
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    Yeah, I remember that too.
     
  7. Boones
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    Jeem, I have been looking at that pic over the past few days and thought the front looked different, could not put my finger on it.

    Now I know..

    I found a pic of it in a book called Hot Rod by Peter Vincent (with yellow car on front) said it is owned by a Jim Kitchen.. it looks like a 30/31 cowl..
     
  8. beatnik
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    I looked through all my pics and couldn't find any more pic of it. I just looked through my Peter Vincent books and scanned the pics.
     

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  9. Bruce Lancaster
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    Can't see the character lines at top of cowl well enough to be sure, but I think is likely a '28-9 tudor back and a cowl (and hood) from '28-9 fordor. Easiest way to ID this cowl is said character lines, which are different from '30-31. Find some pics of an early fordor and compare...also, the fourdoors had side vent doors for a very short time in early production.
     
  10. Jeem
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    That would make sense. Mystery solved.....or IS IT?!!!!

    HAHAHAHAAAAA
     
  11. loogy
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    Man Jeem, I swear that it was featured in either Rodders Digest, Hot Rod Mechanix or American Rodder but I went through ALL of my magazines this weekend looking for it and came up with nothing.

    I've seen the car in person and it's really cool. I took some pictures of it too but I can't seem to find them either. Jeez I 'm a lot of help, huh?
     
  12. NealinCA
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    I agree with Bruce on the hood and cowl, but the rest of the body looks like a 30-31 Tudor.

    Neal
     
  13. Jeem
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    Found the issue with the letter from Mr. Kitchen.

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    The Halibrands, the sunken license, etc., etc.. It's all hot rod.

    The cowl vent is neat.

    Whatever the case, it's super cool.
     
  14. Kilroy
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    I don't know weather I want to punch that guy or hug him... :)
     
  15. The37Kid
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    Here is a photo of a 28-29 Fordor cowl I bought for the 28-29 tank, never noticed the belt moulding would lign up with a 30-31 like the Aqua Tudor.
     

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    This may show my ignorance,but I was unaware thatthe 28-29 four door cowl area was different than the two door.Is this a fact?
     
  17. rattlecanrods
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    According to Jim's write-up it appears that not only did this model "'29 Mercury'" debut the banjo wheel, but also a late model GM tilt steering column... revolutionary indeed...

    Yes, the cowl and hood of a '29 Fordor is different that the same year tudor & roadster. The '29 Fordor appears more like a '30-'31.

    The sedan almost appears a 2-door conversion of a '29 Fordor. But that's a helluva lot of work, for little return.
     
  18. rattlecanrods
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    Here's a pic of a '29 Fordor showing the cowl lines, hood and grill.
     

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  19. loogy
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    Oh, I don't know about the "little return" part. That car is damn cool and it has all of us chatting about it wondering what it is. I'd say the builder/owner has had a pretty good return on it.

    Jeem, I've seen that Rod & Custom bit but I swear that I saw a full blown feature in some other magazine, I just can't find it. Maybe I dreamt it.
     
  20. DRD57
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    It was in American Rodder. Don't remember which one though.
     
  21. Awesome car, showed up in a Bonneville thread this week. I needed to get another fix! Anymore pics of this car?
     
  22. Bruce Lancaster
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    I useta know a junkyard that had that very early cowl with the side vents. That would be a big help on an A in summertime! If I were adding same, I'd use a raised door like you see on poatal trucks and stuff...ones like that were sold as aftermarket for Model A's.
     
  23. Ghost28
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    Well whatever it is or was. I like it, I like it alot...John
     
  24. Jeem
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    Yeah, me too!
     
  25. I just realized that a lot of the vibe I got off this car is surfacing on my Tudor.
     
  26. Ghost28
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    Oh yeah. kinda kool how that happens, I guess it keeps the dreams alive...John
     
  27. Bruce Lancaster
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    You have accomplished something when you put together a Model A body that no one can quite place...this is a real phantom, not the sort of roadsterized '54 pickup that gets labeled that!
     
  28. Looks to be a 4 door cowl on a 2 door. Just your everyday mix and match phantom hot rod. Built to mess with car guys heads.
    I always thought the 29-29 Model A's with the rib in the hood were Briggs made bodies.
     

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  29. Either way, this car has been talked about here several times and it looks as fressh now as the first time I saw it in ink years ago!

    Jeem, like I said it was also in an 09 Salt thread but I remember it from a GNRS or some other California event thread earlier this year.
     
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  30. Jeem
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    Yep, it was at the GNRS last year(?)...finally got to see it up close. Very cool, this Kitchens fellow also had a neat '53(?) Plymouth that was getting a later hemi (also seen in a teaser type thing in RnC years back....I like the way this guy thinks.
     
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