1952-59 Ford Navy fords build thread

Anyone happen to know the difference? Looks the same as the one off my 223. Says it fits on both but the price is doubled. I’m pretty sure the cast number on my pump is 8501 though.https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mercury_late/water-pump-new-223-6-cylinder-ford.html



https://www.summitracing.com/parts/gmb-125-2756

 

Get it from Summit they are far better with service after the sale. Mac's is a rip off on some items. I found this interesting after entering the Summit part number https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=GMB+125-2756&_sacat=6000 Prices are all over the place.

 

here’s the cast number off the pump which would be the same as macs but I do agree it’s quite expensive. Same everything is all over The place.

 

Sometimes if you Google the casting number things show up that are NOS.

 

I definitely did that and pretty much got the same thing you did. I’m going to go with summit. Thanks for the help!

 

This guy came in the mail the other day. Browsing through it while I wait for my radiator.

 

After much back and forth with champion about the modifications to my radiator I got it and hooked it up filled the system up and of course there is a crack in the casting of the water pump where the heater hose hooks up. I also bought some polished radiator hoses from ledfoot which I don’t quite like the end caps. Needless to say this car has been quite an experience. So the question is, do I get a new pump or just JB weld it?

 

You could give the JB Weld a shot since it's where the heater hose is maybe you could get lucky.

 

the problem with jb is when it lets go you will regret as it will be miles from home.the cost will be high in damage to engine to say nothing of a towing bill.replace the pump period.never did see an answer to my question about the pic of the drum you posted when thinking of cutting drum from hub.you seem to care more about the hoses than getting things done properly.do not recall seeing if you have a 6 or an 8 when you say the wp looks like your 223 pump than I ***ume it is a 6 the 8 uses 4 bolts to mount the 6 looks to use 3

 

I must have overlooked the question you had asked but the picture is NOT from a 52-54. It was used in reference to the question of what a swedge cutter was. I didn’t cut the studs off the hub when I installed the brakes.

Understood about the WP. I will have to talk to summit about returning it. Yes I have the 6cylinder. And yes, it is a 3 bolt. The new replacement was a perfect fit aside from the crack along the heater hose. Attached are pictures of the crack in both sides.

My rant was more of a dissatisfaction with overall services that I have encountered. It is what it is, as I’ve learned in the Navy that it never goes the way you plan it to. Ever.

 

Take that fitting out, wrap a bunch of Teflon tape on it, and don’t screw it in so tight/deep. The bottom photo looks like the crack goes way down. Maybe optical illusion or coolant running down. My opinion JB won’t work there.

 

had me wondering about both thanks for clearing that up.as to that fitting it has a pipe thread so if you are putting it in do so carefully as it can lead to the problem that is shown.when and if you do put it in have pump on motor it will be easier to get leverage but do not over tighten.again no jb good product but not in this case.

 

If that's the pump you just got from Summit call them and see if they will cover it,they are usually good about things like that. It can't hurt to ask.

 

I am curious though as in the 52-54 shop manual, I see has a plug there Instead of the hose fitting. Even without the heater, there should be a fitting there for recirculation of coolant from the thermostat housing back to the water pump circulating through until the thermostat opens to send back to the radiator correct?

 

hopefully someone with a heater delete option will see your question.

 

When the wp on my 223 failed some years ago I replaced everything and got my heater recored so Ive got all of it in good working shape. I also bought a new radiator (champion 4348ch). It was kinda hard trying to find a 3 row allu radiator that would closely fit, and still I had to change some things in the U shaped support and on the car itself.
On top of it the bolts holding the old waterpump were frozen so I had to drill out and re-thread.
Navyford, if you want I can take a photo later. Maybe it will help..
So yes, replace it, you would not want a major leak / cooling failure miles away from home.

 

Water pump was replaced and no issues.

 

what did you do about the plug(fitting)? it may help someone with the same issue

 

for now I have the fittings on and have the heater byp***ed until I decide whether I want to upgrade my HVAC or keep just the heater. I removed the heater core, hoses and blower motor for now.

 

Radiator, new radiator hoses, water pump, and thermostat installed. I had a NOS thermostat housing but put a little too much muscle into it and cracked the flange. Cleaned up the original one I had and reinstalled it. I will be working on the overflow tank next. I haven’t been able to check the hood clearance though as my hood hinge on the p***enger side is bent. Although the measurements match the old one I feel as though it may be a little tall due to the cap/neck. I have champion my old radiator so they can fabricate as necessary for the future.

 

the fitting from thermostat sent warm water to heater the one on pump drew it back to motor to recirculate.meaning if no heater option than both would be plugged as no need as no heater.