1952-59 Ford Need crank & water pump pulleys

I have a 1984 5.0 . I am NOT using the serpentine belt since they don't make a grooved pulley for the water pump so I want to use a regular V belt set up . If someone knows of a grooved water pump pulley that would work but I can't find any . I have found some pulley sets on Ebay but are billet and I would rather go with steel ones if possible . I have looked up what years will work and they will work from 1971 to 1985 . I need a crank pulley with either 3 or 4 bolt pattern with 2 to 3 grooves pulley and a water pump single or dual groove pulley . The water pump pulley must be a wider 4 bolt pattern pulley . The early ones are a narrow 4 bolt pattern . I also have the longer water pump that is just shy of 6" from timing cover to outside of the water pump flange . If you have some to sell please let me know .
If someone knows a place that carries them or if someone has them please let me know . If I have to I can use the billet pulleys but I would much rather prefer steel stock pulleys . I don't care if the pulleys are rusted and not clean since I have a media blasting cabinet so I can clean anything with that and paint them ! Just NO dents on the pulley lips please !
Thanks for any help that someone might have .

Jim

 

Jim,have you ever read this ? http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303600 scroll down to post # 5 and look at the pictures,the '84 long water pump and damper is a bad deal for radiator clearence,if you are going to stick with it anyway CVF racing is the only source for the pulleys you want the March pulleys are about $100 more.

 

Jim

i went thru this last winter. i just needed to run a single belt to run the alt and the water pump/fan. I bought a set of pulleys from CVF, which they claimed would work for a single belt system. Not true! I had to get a spacer machined to bring the water pump pulley closer to the rad and line up with the alternator.

 

i ended up using the pullies from cvf racing. i got the two groove crank pulley, and a single water pump pully with the alternator pully. was 150 bucks shipped!! i know you are not looking for billet, but you could always scuff them down and paint them black since they are clear coated polished. i also used the professional products dampner so i could run the four bolt pully for the crank. i got all my info from jeffb2, and he was right on. i also used the short water pump. amazing the difference in clearance between my radiator and pump snout. i would reccomend using the short pump if you can. just my opinion.

 

Here is a shot of the pullies and the clearance between the radiator and the water pump pulley. its almost three inches of clearance!!

 

I know what Greg's problem was,as explained in the link I posted above Ford has used 3 different lengths of Harmonic balancers on the 289-302 (aka 5.0) SBF's this can drive you nuts with pulley selection.

 

I have the stock 1984 - 5.0 balancer but I am using a Summit better 50 oz balancer . If I need to go back to the stock one that is fine with me . I also have the shorter snout water pump as well . The one I am using now is the longer one at 6" .
I don't mind the billet if that's all I can get .
I saw this one and has anyone tried this set up yet ? It's a Gilmar wide belt .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBF-...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588af34d08

I have some more I will post as I find the sets . I want to get the engine completed before it goes in the car .

I am thinking this is the set a few if you used ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c16077df4

Then they have a shorter one ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c13791a93

Then I found this March set . Very nice and can use serpentine the same way as a V belt set up . Is costly .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Marc...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588f9773ce

I am OPEN to any and ALL suggestions and comments !

Jim

 

One other thing , I have 2 of those cheapo chinese alt brackets that are suppose to work BUT I can't get them to work .
I found this and there are some others that sell the same alt set up . Has anyone used this set up ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0Q...emZ190558097310QQsspagenameZSTRKQ3aMEWAXQ3aIT

Braggs & Jeff , I do like how your's turned out !
I also see Braggs used the Hedman headers too . Did they fit OK or did you have to use a hammer to make them fit ? I have a set of Tri Y headers I am hoping to make work with some cutting and welding !

Jim

 

Jim,the ebay site does not have all the info about the pullies it is best to go direct with CVF http://www.cvfracing.com/4-bolt-s/51.htm The bracket in your 9:55 post is a good setup but it is designed for a Ford alternator you will have to play with the spacers a little with the GM one wire but it's not a big deal.

 

Jeff I actually bought a one wire Ford 3G alt . and it arrived today . It's the smaller size one but puts out plenty of power ! I wanted everything to look all Ford under the hood . That's just me ! Nothing wrong with a GM one wire . They work really good . I had a GM alt that I used on a customers engine and used a single long bolt with a spacer and made an adjustable bracket on the top . Very simple and works just fine !

Jim

 

I took my old ford alternator to the local rebuilder, who is also a rodder, and he asked me if I wanted a single wire ford alternator. Same price as the conventional alt and rebuilt, plus is fits the same as the old piece.

 

Damn , that was a great deal ! Not too many around to do that anymore . I have a couple rebuilt alts that I haven't used since they are set up as the Ford has them . I would really like to find out how to convert them to a one wire Ford alt . I have seen pictures but no details on how the wiring gets set up .

Jim

 

The place I went to will build you any alternator you want. I paid 65 for my gm one wire

 

Have you tried just going to an autowreckers and look for an older car. They still pop up now and then. This would take all the guess work out.

 

Most of the old salvage yards around here are gone or they crushed what was left last summer . Most have nothing but modern cars and the ones with some older cars hid will only sell the entire car . Hard to find 1970's cars here to part out . All the pulley sets I have are for early 289's . I kept those pulleys when I get engine in and sell them . I would take all the brackets and pulleys off and keep them for engine jobs for customers that I would build for . When I sell engines to another business for them to build , I take everything off ! I also keep the flywheels and block plates ! Most of the flywheels aren't any good , but try to find a block plate for an early 289 . I usually have them and I don't think anyplace makes them either . I guess I will have to buy a set of pulleys someplace . If someone has a set let me know .

Jim

 

Jim if you had this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...Accessories&hash=item2c5db277fd#ht_1635wt_933 you could use the early pulleys you have or these http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD...Accessories&hash=item335af8ccf5#ht_3534wt_951 You already said you have some early water pumps so you would be in business and have plenty of radiator to fan clearance.

 

Jeff , I have the early 289 pulleys ! The bolt holes are different that the ones in the 70's . The early models water pump holes are close together than the ones in the 70's . The balancer I have is similar to that one and I can use either a 3 or 4 bolts pulley on the balancer . Those chrome ones look nice but the bolt patter for the water pump will be different .
There are a couple problems . The water pump I am using has the 4 holes BUT they are a wider bolt pattern than the early 289 pulleys have . Then the pulleys touch each other and I can't get them to work !
I was really hoping to find a serpentine water pump pulley for my water pump and just use that but I can only find the smooth ones .
On the V pulleys I need a smaller water pump pulley to fit .

Jim

 

jim ive got the same braket set up on my car you posted. works good im using a regular gm alt and just hooked it up the way its meant to be. i bought my braket kit from whites i think it was , off ebay . and then bought a one wire gm alt for my 9n ford tractor from db electrical. they got seems like any alt. you want .

 

I already have a Ford one wire alt . I need the pulleys for the balancer & water pump ! I want to use a V belt and not a serpentine .
Is there anyplace that someone might know of that sells the water pump pulley that has the groves in it for the serpentine belt ? If I can get one for that , my problems would be solves very fast ! I don't think the "smooth" one will work .

Jim

 

i think the early serp belt 302, not 5.0 had what you want. they had 2 belts on them with the regular rotation waterpump. the grooved side went around the pump. but i have a freind that used to race mustangs with roller 5.0s. they ran the smooth faced pulley with the groves running against it. never lost a belt and turned some serious rpms. even drove it on the street.

 

not sure on the offset but heres one. yea i know its a 2.3 4cyl. might work. e5 85 ranger
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cbb7df9a8

 

id like to think i can go to pullapart and get any i think would work for you tomorrow. but i cant promise it.

 

That might work . The only problem off hand that I see is the serpentine water pump pulley sits flush against the water pump and this one seems to sit back farther . I really don't want to spend $50 plus shipping to find out if it works or not . I might have to search a few yards next week to see what I can find . I am sure they are a lot cheaper at the U Pull It yards than ebay .
Thanks for the idea and finding one on Ebay for me to check out .

Jim

 

i wouldt spend the money just to try it either. just using that to show you the idea. ford did make some just got to find them. early serp fords still used 2 belts. and the grooved side drove the pump.

 

If you read my link where I discussed the pulley swaps you cannot use 1970 and later V-belt pulleys on a 1980 and later 302 (aka 5.0) because even though the crank pulley is 4 bolt and the water pump length is the same the '80 and later harmonic balancer is a different length so the pulleys will not align(found out the hard way) so you can't swap to an early balancer because 1964 to 1979 balancers are 28oz factor 1980 and later are 50oz factor.So making a trip to Pic & Pull will be a waste of time and money because the parts won't fit anyway.

 

Jeff , I am not using the stock balancer ! I am using a aftermarket Summit 50 oz balancer I bought used . The water pump I am using is for a earlier 302 engine . I wanted a V belt rotation water pump so I could use a V belt . I didn't want to use the serpentine set up on my engine . So this is where I am with the balancer and water pump . I was hoping the pulleys I had bought work but not even close . The pulleys are to big . The diameter is about a 1/4" to 1/2" to big .
So this is what I have and now I am trying to figure out what pulleys to use ! If I have to change the water pump or balancer back to stock I can do that . I just want to get this engine done so I can start it up to break the cam in on my engine test stand . Then I will have to change the valve springs to the ones I need to use with the cam I have so I can get the engine and trans in the cars and I can finish this project up so I can drive it in the spring of 2012 .
Then the Shoebox g***er gets started !

Jim

 

here is a good photo of the fan clearance with the cvf pullies.

 

okay...
so let me get this straight...

i have a '92 engine.

i have the 68 water pump (p*** side)

if i want to use that CVF kit i need the aftermarket balancer that is built to the short spec?

that will let me run the alternator in the stock location with the stamped bracket that bolts to the pump like the pic above?

BAGGS>>>> do you have a kit number? is there a reason you went with the 2 groove pulleys?

-OR-

i can buy a late balancer with a 3 bolt pattern and use my existing pulleys. problem solved. right?

thanks.

 

If you have an '80 or later 302(aka 5.0) it has a 50 OZ balance factor,to run the '69 and earlier short pump this is the balancer that matches it: www.speedwaymotors.com part number 910-15365-50 this is the short length balancer with a 50 OZ factor,as far as the 2 groove pulleys go that leaves you with the option of being able to add power steering later on,if you only want single groove try this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bfe14632 the CVF pulleys are USA made you will run across chrome sets made in China on ebay for around $75 there have been some reports of them splitting so keep that in mind,the balancer also has all three Ford timing marks so any 289-302 pointer will work.

 

Yeah. I saw that on the manufactuters website. Gonna double check my measurements and order one overnite.