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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dhughens, May 5, 2015.

  1. dhughens
    Joined: Jan 28, 2015
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    dhughens

    Can someone identify this front suspension and body style . I am told it is 1917 Dodge according to the ***le of the car . However, I cannot find anything similar on the web to verify. Here is a picture of the car. It also doesn't seem to be a Dodge from what I can find on web images. The firewall vin matches the ***le so I'm not sure of anything at the moment. Thanks for any insights, dan...
    hotrod front suspension.jpg hotrod image1.jpg
     
  2. Rocky
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
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    Body appears to be a 26-27 ford coupe with the top cut off. Front suspension is 40-47 ford. 39 and earlier didn't have a sway bar and 48 had tube shocks
     
  3. JimSibley
    Joined: Jan 21, 2004
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    Rocky nailed it!
     
  4. Martin Harris
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    Definitely a 26 or 27 T Coupe with the roof whacked off. Personally I like 'em "roof on", but it's certainly a little different.
     
  5. coupe33
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    The body looks like 26/27 T with the bolt on roof seam removed . Coupsters look good and you don't have to worry about chopping too much and not being able to get in it! I looked at an old dodge roadster and other than the back of the seat where it rises it is very simular. It is pretty slick looking no matter what it is!
     
  6. Binger
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    Those shocks are delco lovejoy that ran on a lot of different cars in the 30's. My '30 Chevy came with some stock and I set up a set to run on my '29 A coupe.
     
  7. timwhit
    Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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    The p***enger compartment looks real long for a T coupe. Judging by the door size and how small the quarter windows are on a T, I'm not sure. Opera coupe is what I see. We will figure it out!! Tim
     
  8. 3wLarry
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    the term "you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter" comes to mind.
     
  9. da34guy
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    Couldn't of said it better Larry.
     
  10. It is not a '17 Dodge it is a cut down sport coupe with a '37 up spring in front of the front axle setup.

    I hope if you bought it you don't get pulled over by a real police officer even Lou Rawls could see that it is not a '17 dodge.
     
  11. patmanta
    Joined: May 10, 2011
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    I need to see a better picture of the cowl.

    I have seen this car on the web before, did you just buy it?

    Welcome to the HAMB by the way, I see this is your first post.

    I actually own a 1917 Dodge Brothers. You can see what the original stuff looks like in this thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/drug-home-1917-dodge-brothers-touring.947165/

    From what I can make out, the guys above are partially correct. What I think you have there is the back end of a T coupe but the cowl does indeed look like a 1917 Dodge Brothers.

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  12. patmanta
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    The Yellow OP one, or my yard art?
     
  13. LOL certainly not your yard art. I really like the little racing wheels on the back, talk about a way to get rid of unsprung weight. :D

    A little off topic but is that an aluminum Curtis nose?
     
  14. Lou Rawls?!?!
     
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  15. patmanta
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    Nose is gl*** actually. Wheels are jankier than they look, they're just welded to a pipe to roll it around. They have since come apart so, yeah, there's that.
     
  16. Did I spell it wrong? I can never remember the other blind guys name.:oops:
     
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  17. Andamo
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    Lou Rawls wasn't blind, Stevie Wonder is.
     
  18. raidmagic
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    Is it really necessary to bash the guy's car? That doesn't seem very "community"
     
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  19. LOL edit Ray Charles. DuhOh

    Stevie Wonder is the one who I can never remember. For some reason his name just gets lost in my head, and now evidently Ray Charles. :oops::p:D
     
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  20. The37Kid
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    That body does look like it may be Dodge, Coupe back with a Roadster cowl. More photos would help ID it. Welcome to the HAMB! Bob
     
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  21. patmanta
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    If it's a Dodge coupe or roadster back, it's later than 17 probably. The 17's I've seen have that rounded box turtledeck look. But, take a look at the sweep up at the back of the cab, this is not present on later DB roadsters whose decks are just about level with the seat back. I'm leaning towards a cut down coupe of some sort for the rear, probably a notaford of about 1925ish vintage.

    17 Roadster:
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  22. They were still using that same turtle deck in the late 20s that was why I said no on it.

    The turtle deck on the car mentioned looks pretty ford to me.
     
  23. patmanta
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    It might be Ford rear quarters, but they'd have to be 26-27 coupe and stretched on the front to meet the doors.
     
  24. luckythirteenagogo
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    It's a Franken-roadster! Built from the parts of those that came before it, and ***embled with surgeon-like precision under the watchful eye of a mad builder.
     
  25. The37Kid
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    Stole this 1927 T Coupe photo from Django in the cl***ified section.Something is added to the sill on the yellow car, frame rail looks to have a cover over it too. Bob

    [​IMG]
     
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  26. 3wLarry
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    I most humbly apologize...I don't know WHAT came over me...I didn't know the Hamb is now a "community"
     
  27. dhughens
    Joined: Jan 28, 2015
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    dhughens

    1917 dodge interior.jpg View attachment 2902262

    Thanks for all the responses. Here are a couple of additional pics. I think Patmanta is on the money about the front of the cowl. Here is a pic I scavenged off the net with a pic of the rod. I believe the cowl is indeed 1917 Dodge
     
  28. dhughens
    Joined: Jan 28, 2015
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    dhughens

    Well, so much for that last reply, I'll try again. 1917 dodge interior.jpg hot rod interior.jpg

    I'm comfortable that the forward section is Dodge, I understand that the 17's did and did not have glove boxes but note the map light and speedo hole. I have taken pictures of the frame and will post later. I have identified the radiator shroud as 1923/24 Chevrolet. I think Rocky has nailed the rear of the body. What cons***utes what a car is? The frame, vin number, body?? With a Chevy nose, Dodge cowl, Ford suspension and rear section, Pontiac drivetrain, and a Dodge ***le matching the cowl serial number, I really have a mutt. I don't mind that at all but the whole car looks as if it was put together by a 17yr old without resources in the tradition of a real hot rod. There is a lot of "cobb job" workmanship and I'm not sure whether or not I want to redo the awful areas. I really like the authenticity of ***embly with little or nothing available. Example: the mounts for the engine and trans are 3/16 steel cut with torches and arc welded together. No cleanup or finesse. Most of you probable haven't seen that kind of work since the 60's. Functional but crude. hot rod needing rework (8).jpg hot rod needing rework (10).jpg
    I appreciate all the input, especially finding out about the front suspension. No offense taken about anything. All perspectives are welcome whether or not I agree. Thanks for taking your time to respond. dan...
     
  29. verde742
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    DHUGHENS :: You, my friend, are an awfully good Sport !!!!
     
  30. patmanta
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    @dhughens I would drive it all summer first and make a list of things you want to change with that experience.

    Start work this Winter.

    The most recognizable feature of the car, for me, is the cowl, which is the ***le/reg for the car, so, that's what it is as far as I'm concerned. My cowl has a glove box too BTW.

    The first think on my knock list though would be anything that looked cobbled together as to be potentially unsafe. Those mounts look suspect.
     

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