Hot Rods Need help with this old pic, what body is this??

I cannot wait to see the rest of these pics!

 

I'm like everybody else...... Waiting daily for more pics. Stuff like this keeps pulling me further and further into the true roots. I used to hear my Dad yacking about this car and that never realizing this was the stuff he grew up on. What I would do to have had those days to live in. The best we can do is preserve and do***ent so that future generations know where we came from.

I'm watching!

 

Man...any word on this?

I'm going thru some SERIOUS Roadster withdrawl here...cold turkey...and rolling the windows down in the van just isn't doing it.

Keep me away from the torch...or the roofs coming off SOMETHING!

Roadsters are Hot Rod METH...and I'll take a hit any way I can get it!

 

Wow, I just read this post myself and can hear Meatloaf screaming... Paridise by the dash board lights. STOP RIGHT THERE!! So close and BAM stopped cold. A very cool story that needs closure.

 

I want pictures, I think we need Hamb news team to meet the grandfather and make a interview...

 

Nice, Nice, Nice !!!

4TTRUK

 

I was overwhelmed when directed to this thread. (I had mistakenly credited **** Kraft with the construction of this car...**** built a few collateral 'T' track cars in the time frame that his famous Kraft T evolved)

An enlarged pic of Joe's roadster has been magnetted to my refrigerator for 3 years now...all the while I've been building my shop.
Arguably the most inspiring Hop Up I've ever seen.

Oh, those 'pipes' between the headers are crankcase vents.

 

I've been using this car as inspiration for my modified like a lot of other guys on here. I wish somebody had pics of the front or rear of the car, in particular the front end setup. Super sweet! Quite possibly the nicest lakes modified I've ever seen.

Any updates?

My build thread.... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7814107#post7814107

 

Gl*** ? NFW. Look at the details in that car/engine. Early 21 stud, early Thickstun manifold, draglink end on rear radius rod. Definitely not the stuff of gl*** era ('60s) rods.

 

This needs to be seen, as well as those pictures mentioned!

 

we need an update.

 

This car is perfect!
Any updates?

 

Wish we could get those pics...For Christmas!!!

Still, I love a good mystery.

 

I'll second that one!
I guess Entaille got some closure or whatever and so the story lost some momentum for him...but he sure left us hanging! LoL

Hope Santa brings him a scanner!

 

Did any of you guys catch that at this point in it's life it appears to have a McCullough "cream separator" supercharger on it? Some one had surmised that it had the intake off, but the blur on top of the engine puts a small blob of chrome in exactly the location a couple of velocity stacks would be in if it were sitting on a carbs on this type of supercharger.

 

I knew I had seen another picture of this car with a picture of it supercharged. last night as Judy slept and I watched "Support your local Gunfighter" at 12:00am I flipped through my stack of Hop Up annuals from the 2000s by the light of the T.V. There it was in issue #6 with a remastered photograph cleared up a bit and showing the supercharger in all it's glory...

 

Yes sir...look at that!
The Proulx Bro's had some serious work and money gone into this and yet pictures and info are as rare as hens teeth. Makes you wonder just how many other really cool machines we will never know about!

I wonder what single carb they would use considering the demand from a supercharger, when normally aspirated were using twin carbs at least?

Is there anyone left from the early days at the dry lakes and salt flats that could be asked about this car?
I simply can't understand it being so well built and being this modified...and NOBODY remembering the car and its story or at least the owner(s)!

 

Isky and Athens are two guys that I could think of still around from that time period that might be able to shed some light on things; but who is to say they knew these guys? Ever seen pictures of a late forties lake event? TONS of people!

Ya gotta remember that photography was not cheap in those days, and not everybody had decent equipment. I would surmise that this photo was taken some time during the '46 (or possibly '41, it still has wires.) season, as at the end of that season SCTA killed the modified cl*** altogether. At that point in time there was still no Hot Rod magazine, and virtually nothing in print, so no real "photo shoots" as we would know them going on.

There have been pictures of this car printed in at least four books I can think of. One of Tom Medley's books from about twenty years ago, two of Don Montgomery's, and I believe the book of Cox's photography that came out about 15 years ago, so the car isn't unknown to many of us that have been around for a bit. I know I have it marked in my books since the early nineties.

As far as the carb goes, I have two ideas. Either the Stromberg 48 with the slightly larger venture, or I have a Stromberg "aeromotive" carb that looks like a 97 X 1 1/2. That particular blower has a pad for just one 2bbl Stromberg cast in to its upper surface and isn't what you call huge. I suppose a slingshot adaptor could have been used, but it's effect would have been dubious at best.

I too had bought the story that this was a car built by **** Kraft all these years, as the picture of the car and driver look fairly close to pictures of **** that I have seen when he was in that age bracket. So much so that when I met him about ten years ago I never asked about this car, simply because I took it as his. Wish I could go back and ask though. This was a high dollar, well finished car for it's day.

Oh, and last thought. Although it's obviously a '26-'27 "T" body, I'm honestly thing it's simply a roadster body with the turtle deck unbolted and the rear sub frame trimmed away and finished at the "bun panels". The curvature of the seat back panel kinda kicks it away from my first thought (it's a bit too curved) that it was a touring front half with the touring rear half narrowed and grafted on.

Just my .02...

 

This post just wasted my morning in the best possible way! Cheers!!

 

What a GREAT thread. This has helped kill a boring afternoon at work.

 

I got none of those books...sigh.
Was Isky one of the go to guys for cams back then or is it a bit early?
With the quality of the car its pretty reasonable to expect the latest performance parts were being used.
Sure would be great if someone close to him could see if he has any memories of that particular car...although, as you say, with the number of cars and people into it at the time it might be a long shot!
I didn't realize that McCullough made a supercharger that long ago. I thought it was post war, actually early 50's that they would have come out. One big learning experience and I love it!

 

I double checked before I wrote this, but the first of the McCullough superchargers came out in '37, and they were made up until '40. Off the top of my head I was gonna say '38... But I digress!

I have had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them and mess with one a bit in the last decade or so and they are pretty cool. Not super valuable as a high performance part, as they gave back just a touch more than they consumed to run, but cool.

If I have some time to do some digging in the next few days I'll dig up and post some of the other pictures of this car in my books.

 

Oh man...you just made my day! I've been hoping for additional pics of this car since it first got posted...and I'm sure I'm not the only one!

 

Just noticed a couple of things studying the two pictures posted on this page of the car with the supercharger. First, the car in the background of the one I posted is either a '41 ford or a '41 Merc with what looks like a bit mangled grill. Every other car is earlier, so it is possible that this picture is from '41, and this could be Muroc.

The next is, the two photos are of the same day, as the deuce roadster behind this car is the same one. But did you notice the breather tower? on the fuzzier shot it looks like it was extended, on the clearer shot I posted it a standard early Ford unit. Wonder what they might have been trying to cure?

The other thing that I hadn't noticed about this car is it's channeled the depth of the frame. that wasn't real common for modifieds in that era. Most were set stock height on top of the frame. Looking a little closer, it looks as thought the body is narrowed a bit, as the arc of the cowl has the same round shape as mine which is narrowed 6".

 

Regarding the breather tower...I did notice that...and it also seems a bit odd that the car also had oil pan breathers on the left side at least.
Would oil slinging off the crank make that setup unusable on the right side I wonder?
Seems odd to just have them both on the one side unless there is a reason.

Would a supercharger on a flathead create so much crankcase pressure that all this breather concern was necessary? Guess so...although in the left side picture she has twin carbs and no supercharger. Could have always been the plan of course.

I think it is narrowed.
The steering wheel is large which can throw you off visually, but it does look really close to the right side of the car.
To be honest, I was hoping it wasn't narrowed...but it would be strange if it wasn't considering the other body mods.

The change in the brake rod is a bit weird. Not sure whats going on there.
Inboard actuation maybe???

 

In one picture the brake rod does look like it's headed inward, but in the other it looks like it's just running uphill. Could it be a rear brake change, say from A to 32? Can't remember the arm position on the 32-4 rears.

Body does appear to be narrowed.

What does the cowl lettering say in the pic with the regular tall dual intake?

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Model A brake arm goes up, 32-4 hangs down, I think.
If you follow the line the brake rod makes, that's what it looks like to me.
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Was really curious about the other cowl lettering so I did some searching. I am almost certain it is the logo for Hyvis motor oil. Found a 1933 newspaper ad for them on the web.


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I think you nailed that Mr Carter!!! Great detective work.
I've been trying to read it since the picture was first posted a good while back.
It's actually pretty clear now that we have something to compare it to.

Now...hoping some of those additional pics will show up soon!(hint, hint...LoL)