Need input for HOT ROD Mag Story: Patina

I see the "new" faux-patina'ed cars and trucks kinda like I see fake breasts... interesting at first glance, but would much rather have my hands on something real.

And with both, is the cost really worth it? Real distress, real patina, real antique paint (no matter how many different colors) doesn't cost a thing.

 

You're famous to me.

 

The paint on my Nomad is 21 years old. Every time it fades to a nice flat finish, I get out the compound and buff it before I remember patina is cool. Oops.

 

The only thing patina does to me is make me wanna paint it.

 

this is how it breaks down for me. if it was built in the 40's 50's or early 60's and has somehow survived ,in what ever shape, then it's cool. because it's the real thing. everything else is just a piece shit that needs a paint job.

 

Just be sure to tell them that it is totally out of style........
unless they are a total newcomer to the hobby-Then its the shit!

 

It's great looking except for those red splotches on it. That is just really dumb...to go through all the trouble of a good paint job...a nice glossy black one....and ruin it like that. I understand if you want to leave an old hot rod untouched, then you're not gonna paint it....but if you're building one whether it's steel or glass then I think you should finish it the best you can. You should not finish it and then try and make it look f'ed up again....what was the point of finishing it?

 

I remember starting a thread about that glass'37 FAKE patina car awhile back,to get some opinions. Talk about an attack,FUCK. It's obvious FAKE doesn't sit well with traditional hotrodders. Fake patina,fake racing numbers,fake shoptrucks,fake this fake that. We get it. It's like a combover. You would get more respect with a crew-cut. Todd Varble is a friend of mine,but that doesn't mean I like his '37. It could have been taken a different direction. I'm not a fan of fake stuff either. Like it or not,that car gets alot of attention. A true testament to how people feel about that car is the fact that nobody has bought it yet. It's more of an ART CAR. I remember guys leaving their wagons outside so when they took them to Pamona Swapmeet,it looked like they had an old surviver wagon. Posers. "yes,i'm the great pretender...."

 

cool. I suddenly feel like my opinions about stuff matter. now i need to get workin on my untimely drug overdose death.

someone mentioned they had the new issue of hot rod. i went to go find it in the store and was bummed when it wasn't there oh well I drowned my sorrows in a bucket of kettle corn. I love wal-mart.

 

Who cares if the owners of the Fag-Tina cars like them, it's still GAY...stop being PC and call Bull Sh*T when you see it...Kill FAG-TINA...and that jerk w/the big retarded moustache on "My Classic Car"!!

 

Be careful with that kind of talk....the GMB's may just come to your house and have a HAMB thrash on your car....then paint it pink.

 

I think you would be doing yourself, your magazine and the hot rodding community as a whole a disservice if you didn’t call those out on the carpet who create ‘patina-ed’ cars and then try to pass them off as something they’re not. The longer that those who do this and are not publicly called out for it, the more it will be accepted and become mainstream; ultimately making a car with real patina so normal that it’s no longer worth taking a second glance at regardless of whatever that car’s historical significance might be. Because at that point, one might not care to even look at it and that would be the real shame.

Vance

 

The hobby of hot rodding is big enough, established enough and broad enough to encompass a large variety of cars, build styles and finishes. Just build, drive and look at what you enjoy and pass over the rest.

 

Sometimes When We Touch
The Honesty's Too Much
I Have To Close My Eyes
And Cry
I Wanna Hold You Til I Die
Until We Both Break Down And Cry
Blah Blah Blah blah

That song is gay, so is this eternal thread, some atomic particles have shorter half-lives.

 

David, I look forward to your article. I posted a thread about faux-petina on a glass car. I received some positive suggestions and good ideas. But lots of negative comments. I saw the Coast to Coast 37 Ford with all the petina and rust panels. this is not what I have in mind for my 32 Ford Highboy, glass car. It is now painted flat white, with black and white checkerboard firewall, old time checkered flag blowing in the wind on each side. I want this car to look like an old roadster that has been driven and now the paint is faded and the lettering has just about worn off. What is so wrong with this? Not everyone can afford a steel car or even find an original barn find. I am not out to miss represent this car. I want it to be what it is, but as people look at it I want them to ask is it steel? I appreciate your upcoming artricle. I have been readingHot Rod since 1962, Regards, Dennis Spohn, Boyertown, Pa

 

Damn, what a thread. . .I hope everybody makes the article.

 

I got'cha "patina" ...swingin' right here!!

 

I saw and read the article in Hot Rod a few days ago. Sorry but I was not impressed. Another fiberglass trailer queen that will never see 30 minutes out in the rain. I have owned the same 38 chevy coupe for 33 years now. Its been patina'd 3 times before patina was cool. What impresses me more than high dollar billet bombs is the storys told by the owners of real Hot Rods. Now if you want to do an article on a fake patina rod at least do it on the Roadster that has been on a few power tours. The one that crashed on his way to Green Bay in 2005. The one that first made the 2001 tour smoking form coast to coast and went through about 3 cases of oil because he used an old flathead that was sitting out in yard for no telling how long. You know the one that crashed coming in to Green Bay on the 2004 power tour. Yeah it has bird shit on it but at least he parked it partially out from under his shed so real birds could crap real shit on it. Now that ride has some stories to go with it. Webster says patina is 'A change in appearance produced by long-standing behavior, practice, or use'. The phrase 'fake patina' is one of those oxy-morons. Ok Im done

 

This is the one im talking about

 

Oh my God! I can't beleive I read all this crap. Okay let me get this straight. If you buy an old whatever and its complete, untouched from 50 fricken years ago, its okay to leave it that way. But if you find a body (old something) and it doesen't have all the original parts in the original condition. (trying real hard not to use the word Patina) oops I did! Then you have to completley restore, repaint, rebuild or whaterer it, or it is a fake car, or your trying to forge something or pull something over on the Hot Rod world. Soooo, making a car out of various pieces new and used parts should make you some sort of Hot Rod criminal? I don't get it! If that is true most of us should be in some kind of garage prison where there is lots of cool stuff to work on, but you are not allowed to touch anything.
I have had a lot of cars over the years most of them shinny and I sometimes paid way too much to make them that way. Okay, now that was okay to do. When I finished them I was affraid to get them out of garage. Iwill still build a few of those shinny cars before I die (if I don't die tomarrow) . But in the mean time enter a couple of my current cars. I guess when I found my 28 Oakland body a couple of years ago, what the general feeling is is that I should have left it where it was. It had been sand blasted and was missing one door and had a bunch of pop reveted patch panels around the bottom edge, oh yea and some one had half done a custom hand built roof on it. So I took it and made a door,finished the roof, welded in new patch panels, bolted it to a custom built chassis and fabbed and bolted new and old stuff to it to make it into what I wanted to build. I elected not to paint it flat black or shinny, painted some made up lettering on the doors and had a buddy paint some nose art on one side of the cowl and do some pin striping here and there and then I just drive it and love the fact that when I park it somewhere or some leans on it, I don't have to worry. Now with all that said, I guess that makes me a Hot Rod criminal!
I don't like the green made to look old coupe either and I think that someome would have to crazy to take a nice car and make it look old. (still trying hard not to use the "P" word) But, not painting an old car or painting it like you want it shouldn't be looked at like a "sin". I know that everyone has an opinion but does it have to be so narrow? I would love to find some old hot rod in a barn that just needs the carbs rebuilt and the brakes bled, but those cars are few and far between and kinda spensive. So throw me in that garage I mentioned earlier and eat the key. I'm a bad man, and probably will be a repeat offender in some part. Excuse the spelling and I hope this doesn't make me a outcast. This is only directed to those that bow to the "P" God
28oak

 

I guess I'm just brain dead, but I don't get the "patina" thing. If "Patina" means old paint, rust and the old dirty look, then just don't get it. I have been in and out of hot rodding since about 1955 and I don't think I ever saw not even one hot rod that had old paint, rust or was dirty looking back in the day. Body filler & primer yes, but never just left as they found it. If nothing else, hot rodders back in the day kept their cars spotless. Hell we even waxed the primer. But, hey, I have to admit, the "Patina" look isn't all that bad, just not real "as it was in the day".

 

Green POS had 22,000 miles on it in a year when sold, just did the Power Tour. 09..... Any more trailer Queen post...?

 

Ughhh...

 

If fauxtina keeps a place in the hot rodding world, will some li'i rugrat shittin' diapers today build a fake Shelby Dodge with peeling paint, drooping headliner and fake oxidized aluminum wheels in 30 years?
How come no body has made faux oil leaks complete with acrylic puddles on the parking lot. I can see it now, a late model GM V8 with rusty new olds valve covers that has cleaner exhaust than the air it breaths made to look like its poluting the worlds ground water. Maybe a "green" fuel additive to smell like ethyl gas along with a light blue smoke to look old.

 

damn this thread is THREE years old lol guess in internet years...it has some patina on her!!!!!

 

Hahaaha!

In 20 years they'll look at all the "new" patina like they look at 80's Easter egg colors.

 

I like patina. My rod was painted with a brush once in white then blue. It sat for years in a guys back yard. I dont know all the history. I traced it back as far as I could to a guy that took his own life. I didnt want to bother his family. There are days when I want to knock it all down and paint it and then there are days I don't. It seems that every car that has flat or very little paint is labeled the R word. The body was a survivor. It was modified way back.Sorry bout the last pic Imust hace clicked it accidentally. I dont know how to delete it

 

My 2c, for the record:

To me, patina is not the same thing as general deterioration. Patina is the result of many years of care. It is how something that has been properly maintained and occasionally repaired over the years is different to something that is brand new. It is not simply weathering, nor is it wanton damage, abandonment, rot, or delapidation.

A lot of what is being held forth as patina isn't patina. It might have become patina if something had been done years ago to stop deterioration. The only way to turn it into patina is to fix it and then take good care of it for fifty years.

I think there is wisdom in trying to bridge that uncomfortable phase where patina just begins to develop, when something looks just off-new. If someone can pull off faux patina with such subtlety that real patina can seamlessly take over it would be a real achievement. But it would require such delicacy of judgement that the result would barely be perceptible on the finished product.

I wonder how current fake delapidation will stand up to a few years' use.

 

A full on fake car (fiberglass, fake patina, fake rust, seam sealer applied to inside of a new panel to make it look like a bubble gum welded patch panel is in place, etc.) can be equated to a typical porno chick.

Sure, we like to see those fake chicks loving it and getting into the action and some get off on their unhuman-like porportions or actions, but when it comes time taking them home that is a whole other story.

Why put so much effort into making something fake to impress a certain group of people when you can just do it right?

It's ponderous, man. Just ponderous.