Need some help getting my motor to run

well i put everything back together. i can get flames to shoot out of all the cylinders but it never sounds like it wants to run. just lots of pops. it never even sputters. ive messed with moving the dizzy position, nothing helps. its getting spark ,so i know its not the ignition.

only thing i can think of is maybe i got the firing order backwards? anyway, heres a video of it. let me know your thoughts.

also if someone could post the firing order and the "A" and "C" settings for a 331 cadillac. dizzy goes counter clockwise.

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180 out?? maybe or wrong firing order

 

Yeah, i think you're top dead center of the exhaust stroke instead of compression stroke of #1 cylinder. BOTH will line the marks on the balancer. Pull #1 plug, crank motor with finger on the plug hole, as you feel compression, THEN line the timing marks and see if your rotor is still aimed at #1 on the cap

 

found this too. im gonna go check ill get back to you guys. thanks

http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/499print.cfm

 

Engine Specifications: 1950 Cadillac 331 V8

<table border="0" cellpadding="2"><tbody><tr> <td class="specheads" bgcolor="#8b8b8b"> GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Model Designation: Series 60S, Series 61, Series 62, Series 75</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Wheel base: Series 60S: 130; Series 61: 122; Series 62: 126; Series 75: 146-1/2 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Valve Location: In head</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Bore and Stroke: 3-13/16 x 3-5/8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Piston displacement, Cubic Inches: 331.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Compression ratio: 7.50</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Maximum Brake Horsepower: 160 @ 3800 RPM</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Maximum Torque Lbs.Ft. @ RPM: 312 @ 1800 RPM</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Normal Oil Pressure Pounds: 35</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="specheads" bgcolor="#8b8b8b">TUNE UP SPECIFICATIONS (all models) </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Spark Plug Make: AC 48X </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Spark Plug Gap, Inch: .035</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Firing Order: 18436572 (front to rear: Right bank 2-4-6-8, left bank 1-3-5-7) </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Timing Mark: "A" mark for premiurm fuel; "C" mark for regular fuel; location: Vib. Damper</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Engine Idle Speed, RPM: Standard transmission: 375; w/automatic 375 (in drive)</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Cylinder Head Torque Lbs.Ft.: 65-70</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff">Compression Pressure & Cranking Speed: 120 min. </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efeeee">Voltage & Polarity: 6 volts, negative ground</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

im guessing its 180 out.

 

AHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! YEAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! damnit if it wasnt 11pm right now! AHAHA!!!! fucking thing was 180 out. holy shit did that sound good!! i cant stop smiling! god i need a drink now.

 

That has happened to everyone. Lets here it running

 

wheres the vid of it running?

 

it was 11pm when i got it running, it didnt even have headers on it, i had to kill it before i got the cops called on me. ill fire it first thing tomorrow on video.

 

Without the pipes? Betcha that looked BAD ASS in the dark. Like one of the old warbirds on startup.

 

You might not want to run it very long without headders hooked up. I have seen valves crystalize when they cool too quickly I.E. a cool breeze on a hot valve.

 

haha yeah pretty much!

 

OK! sorry that took so long i was up all morning helping my buddy wire his 51 chevy. here it is! i was inside the body turning the dizzy a little. it still needs some fine tuning but i will wait till the headers are on it and the radiator. i could only pull 2 carbs at the same time too. gonna get some offy linkage.

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Kickass.

Cadillacs are the coolest hot rod motors.

 

I bet your valves love you right about now. Hardcore builder strikes again!

 

and the wind wouldnt blow up the lake pipes either? whatever, nice try to start some drama.

 

Nope...thats what exhaust does after the car is off. Heats the air as it comes back through the pipes toward the engine.

Nice job gettin it running tho. Sounds smooth.

 

well im sorry for running it without the headers on then. the video was about the longest i had it running for.

 

Well, hurry up an Git-R-Plumbed so we can hear some more (cooled too of course).

 

hah, you mean put the lake headers on it? they are actually sitting on the floor right next to it you can kindof see them in the video. i got the gaskets and everything ready to go but i wanted to wait because i need to take the steering column(51 chevy truck) out one more time. and i also need to wire the starter to the permanent cables and wires.

anyway, ill have updates! hopefully in a few days ill be able to take it for a spin if i get the driveshaft back and the radiator back from the shop. all the rest is just a matter of be bustin ass for a few days.

 

ANNNDDDDDD its got a driveshaft... UH OOHHHHHHH

 

Congrats-sounds cool. I was gonna ask if you had the rotor in 180 out. Easy fixes RULE!!!

 

3 core radiator will be on it tomorroowwww.

 

Not so much, I was merely laughing out loud. Or in this case laughing in text. Its great that you got it running, its more than some can say, but don't you think it would have been a little bit smarter to spend 15 min bolting the headers you have sitting next to it on, rather than taking a chance on ruining a good set of valves? Just something to think about for next time.

 

this is true, but like i was saying i had to do a few things under the headers id rather not smash down the gaskets more then once.

 

Just my opinion, but I'd rather spend a few extra bucks on gaskets than a few hundred on valves. No harm no foul I guess.