NEW demon 98,s .. BG

I couldn't agree more. Everyone has their opinion and sometimes it's better to just keep your mouth shut.

Also, I think these carbs definitely have their place in the market. If you don't like them, can't afford them.... whatever, then don't buy them. Seems pretty simple to me.

Malcolm

 

A double amen, brother! Well said.

 

There's all kinds of styles and opinions,Some want to build the best running vintage engine with whatever carb or injection system.Some want a row of carbs to impress passerbys.others want to do the build as traditional and work it over as best they can.And some have money to spend on anything they want.
I guess it's like a keeping the beam axle or putting in a independent suspension................endless opinions of whats right.

 

I think the carbs are ok on a closed hood car but I am trying to build stuff like they did back then. If I was trying to go faster today with todays stuff I for shure wouldnt be running a 331 caddy.

 

Absolutely these carbs would look out of place on most PURE traditional hot rods. There are alot of so called traditional cars that they would look good on though. I like them. There are some cars in our shop that I would fight to the death to not use them. And there are some that I might even recommend them, who knows.

It comes down to this though... how many TRAD cars are bagged?

How many TRAD cars running MIIs?

How many TRAD cars running RADIALS?

I'll stop now...

 

i just posted the pic as reminder ,of what a researched and developed carb looks like .

not a tradional carb .but , i think it's better looking than a four barrel with a goofy air cleaner .
and way better than a tunnel ram on a car with wire wheels ..hahaha .i hate that .

 

I agree I think the big modern "Demon" logo on the front is the biggest eyesore of them, but overall I don't think they look bad...I kinda dig the looks actually... with some cool scoops or air cleaners they'd look alot cooler than an Edelbrock carb or some other "modern" setup. Just out of curiousity, how much are they?

 

littleman - i couldnt agree more...

joeybsyc - grind the lettering off... done.

id love to try those on my race car.... whatever it takes to get a little more power with a bit more eye appeal.

 

Anyone know what happened to the BG version of the AFB/Edelbrock?

Later- John

 

Oh yeah, and..... THOSE ARE SO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There, there's my big fat opinion! HaHaHa!!!!!!!!!

Later again- John

 

i like them...but then again i am into performance minded cars.
i do agree they probably would not look good on a hoodless hot rod.
Skratch,is there any way to see the carbs on a motor? maybe a flathead?
that may help some people out to see how they look on a motor with some frog mouths..
Plus,Edelbrock four barrels arent "traditional",and see them on ALOT of cars on here and else where.

 

I'll ask the question one more time. It usually takes a few inquiries when it seems that someone is trying to find information that's (in my opinon) being ignored.


HOW MUCH ARE THEY?

Frank

 

Personally I don't like the look of them... and it's not because they don't look like a 97. Just my opinion. But if they float your boat go for it.

It does get a little old to hear how tempermental and hard to tune 97's are. I sure didn't find that to be the case. Pretty simple carb to work on.

Regardless of what you choose, everything needs to be tuned to work together. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

 

I don't understand. Are you implying that the Stromberg 97, 48, and 81 carbs didn't involve research and development to create? The Holley 94, Ford and Chandler Groves carbs didn't require any either?

Hot rodders have been doing research and development on Strombergs (and Holleys) for 60+ years. Not to mention what it took to get them manufactured in the first place.


As for the Demon carb, I think they look just fine and probably work even better. I can see them working out great in certain applications...especially where more fuel pressure is needed or wanted. I'm guessing they can handle more than 2 psi, right?

It looks like the top (inlet) section of the carb unbolts...it would be cool if someone could come up with an "SP top" or "Scott top" style inlet.

Anyway, the Demons will find their niche, but I think I'm gonna stick with my antique Stromberg 97's and 48's.

 

I think they are around $400, choke extra, prices vary slightly on primary carb or secondary.

 

I have been installing B.G. carbs since back when they were re-worked Holley's. I can say , hands down, with no hesitation, that they are the best carbs on the market. Barry has taken alot of time and money to make his products perform. (I think the customer support has suffered for it, but I digress.)

as far as these are concerned, we are all fully aware of the fact that they look the way they do for 2 distinctly different reasons.

#1. You just spent a bajillion bucks re-designing a nearly obsolete carbuerator. Do you really want it to look EXACTLY like the carb you just re-designed, or would you prefer the folks who are looking at it know for sure who made it? Sorry. Mine would have LUX BLUE MADE THIS CARB. THIS ONE. AND THE OTHER TWO ALSO. THEY'RE BITCHIN! stamped on them somewhere. Or, mabey just "Demon" discreetly on the float bowl. I am quite sure the only tradition Barry was really concerned with was going FAST.
#2. Bass brings up an excellent point. what is the 1 known fact about a 94,97, or 98? It's gonna leak. not "may" leak, not" might" leak...it's just gonna. taking that into concern, I would probably try to do something about that. (Hell, for all I know, these things are gonna puke gas from every orafice...but) that would require a newer style gasket that either A-already exists, or B, making your own. considering B.G. has precious few "repair" parts that are avalible only through them, I would bet he's using a known "more betterer" gasket. Fuel pressure is another subject. I noticed the Holley type float adjustment. that means holley type needle and seat, and holley type float. all of those would require some massaging to get in there.
downside? A carb that looks vaguely like the original. Upside? the ability to run a performance fuel pump. Bonus!

Dunno.

I'm still wanting the 2cg style six shooter for pontiac. I have alot more pennies to save, though.

They're not hideous. They're just not originals.

 

Tell me about it! I just did some digging on my own, and it looks like they're about 400.00 EACH.

 

We are in a unique situation and are very lucky, we get the advantage of playing with the older stuff after its been played w/ all these years and at the same time everything continues to advance...I can only image being part of the beginning.....You wanted to buy every new thing that came out I imagine.......I remember when I was a kid all the way up through High School 1987.......constantly browsing all the magazines and studying the ads for all the speed equipment and wheels and tires for sale new at the time....and building a car on paper, writing out my parts list and writing the price next to each item and adding it up....over and over again, then jumping on my bike to go wash dishes at the local resteraunt, thats when I was 14.........I bet I am not the only one that did that...Yes I am not crazy about this new carbs looks, but I welcome it........I will not give up my 94's, actually I am real proud with how I have been able to get them to perform....If I had to think back why I chose to run six 94's it would have to be the challenge not to mention they look bitchin......But if I was given six of the new carbs...I could make them look good in a open car...its just another challenge.......Building a hotrod is just solving one challenge after another anyways............just a bunch of babble I guess......Littleman

 

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Amen to that!
I remember reporting with delight that my 850 Race Demon actually drove just peachy on the street. (it still gets the exact same mileage...as a 5 gallon bucket with a hole in the bottom.) The first few buddies I showed it off to all said the same thing "That thing's kinda goofy lookin...but I like it." ( of course, those buddies were H.R.H. and Triton6972 here, so I was the odd man out as usual.) But Hell, the car was ( and still is) faster than it was with a really nice Keith Dorton built Holley.

point being, sometimes, form sometimes takes a backseat to function. Look at a Turbo, then look at a dressed 12-71 Blower. they can make the same power...but one is butt ugly and the other is just Sexy. I will let everyone else decide which is which.

 

same here... i had a reworked holley 750 double pumper, it performed well but needed to be dialed in a little more. my friend swapped his demon carb in its place to see how the car would react..... it started right up, idled better and the throttle responded quicker. this was a number of years ago but if i remember correctly it was a straight swap from an 11sec SBC to a mild BBC, i dont think we had to do any real adjustments to it....

 

The problem with a lot of this new stuff that's marketed to the traditional crowd is that it doesn't look traditional at all. I was talking to one of the guys from MSD at SEMA, and they aren't selling many of their early flathead distributors. Well, how many people are gonna run them on a period correct car? They look modern and high tech, with the terminal style distributor cap and all. And you have to run a box too. If they made the thing look traditional but work just as good as they do, they'd sell a whole lot more. I don't know who BG intended to market these too, but I don't expect to see many on flatheads, early hemis, etc., because they look like a the modern, high tech pieces that the are. And when I say they need to look traditional, I don't mean just barely, like that Stromberg style EFI that Moon sells or stuff like that.

 

No self-respecting musclecar guy would run these on his car.....BG already has a better suited setup, the Six-Shooter, which more closely resembles the tripower's of the 60's.....

Sounds like a few of ya have had good luck with BG stuff, that's good, as it tells me their quality control has improved....
The early BG carbs were GARBAGE.....

And Dave......you belong here more than you'll ever know!

 

I would like to start out by thanking everyone for their comments and feedback regarding the 98's and answer some of the questions. The jobber pricing on these will be 395.95 each . The primary carburetor is part number 9801 and the secondary is 9802 . They will be the same price each.
When the decision was made to offer a 3 bolt replacement we looked at the 94 and 97's and what you guys had to say about the day to day problems with them and were able to correct a lot of these issues with the 98. Two of the main issues involved the fact that with the 97's you have to run real low fuel pressure [3-4psi] and that even after being rebuilt the 97's are prone to leak over and over. By us incorporting the conventional needle and seat along with fuel bowl gaskets this eliminates both of those issues. You can now run 6 to 7 psi of fuel pressure and not have the surges and starvation found at the lower fuel pressures. Other benefits of the bowl design are that the float can be adjusted by looking through the clear sight window without having to disassemble the carb.

 

That's all great. But you seem to miss the point. Even if theywork well, you're not going to sell them to this market if they don't look period correct. You have to have both looks nad performance. You should have the marketing guys do their homework before spending the $$ to produce something like this.

 

We are always looking at ways to improve the quality of our products. As we find issues or am made aware of them they are addressed. The most recent one involves the implementation of a stamp system in that every person that touches or installs or checks a part has to put their stamp on it. There have also been changes made with regard to personel and procedures that has helped in this area as well.

 

There will be a market for them, "Hey I got the new Stromberg 98" The new toy on the block.

Its always nice to have another option,plus it sells well mabee i can afford some 97's
They look wierd to me,but alittle cool.

I personally have a problem with my outlook on Parts like carburators If they didnt run it then I aint running it now.

 

As far as quality goes they don't look bad at all.. but your picture seems like a contradiction in terms.. Here's a thoroughly researched and improved carburetor stuck on a old fashioned intake. If you really want the best HP you can get you won't mess with the old intakes. You'd use something that was designed with all the new technology we have today..

 

392 hemi - I disagree.

If BG would've made something that resembled a 94 or 97 there would be guys on here saying they were trying to copy them and fell short because it wasn't exact and didn't have the patina or whatever the hell else they could come up with to put them down.

Then there would be the guys that would say "The carbs suck because they don't look exactly like a 97 or 94 because (insert any detail reason here)"

So now we have "it's not the same as a 94 or 97, so it's junk" and "it is the same as a 94 or 97 so it's junk"

You think the guys at BG didn't expect this thread to happen the way it has? I work in the aftermarket performance parts industry and have heard just about every reason that someone can come up with to put something down. Unfortunately, most often it is closed mindedness or just plain old ignorance.

Now don't get yer panties in a wad 392, I'm not calling you dumb or closed minded... I am sure you have yer reasons for the post above. BUT, the reasons I just typed out above, are the norm.

Think back to when the new production 97's came out. Most everyone loved em but still there were guys sayin they were junk and old technology and blah, blah, blah.

Other guys were sayin they didn't have the "history" the old carbs had so they wouldn't run them. What a bunch of crap!

It's just about impossible for a company to release a new product to fanfare and tickertape parades. Doubters that are very quick to put down a new product haven't even picked it up yet (much less installed and used at length) to even remotely give an accuarte and educated evaluation.

Think back again the the new 97's : When people found out how much they were gonna sell for, they all flipped again! The price point gave the haters new ammo to throw on the fire.

The new 97's were pretty much declared junk or too expensive by the same "group" of people that have hated the BG 98's right off the bat.

In this industry, it is damned near impossible to release a product that won't be rated as "junk" by some people before it is even released.