New Edelbrock "94" Carb

I called yesterday, just so they know we care.

 

Well that's a good thing. I've been in the performance aftermarket industry for 12 years and Edelbrock's "two week" answer is pretty well known.

I am grateful they are doing this. Hopefully this isn't another EFI LT1 intake scenario where it's in the catalog for 5 years before its produced...

 

Did you happen to here what the CFM of the new carbs was going to be?

 

The new Edelbrock 94 looks good. I called them a couple times this week with something I discovered when mounting some Ford vintage 94's (Holley) on my flathead 239. I have the Edelbrock 1109 Triple Deuce manifold. The front carb hit's the alternator and you have to grind off the airhorn screw / tab. There's no play to the alternator at all. So, if you're gonna run 94's on the 239 ci. with the Edelbrock 3x2, get out the grinder, or use a Stromberg or Demon carb which is a little smaller length-wise.

The two techs I talked with had never heard of this problem. But I did find it mentioned on one site. Vic Edelbrock Sr. didn't recommend the 94's for use with the 3x2 apparently, he liked the Stromberg. This is according to a quote from Jere Jobe. I'll just bet the new Edel 94 will have the same problem. It looks identical to the old 94's. They've put some great images out there now.

 

This is something I too have heard several places. Ironically, the Offenhauser manifold is said to work just fine with 94s.

-Dave

 

I think it's odd too that Holley isn't the one to make this happen.

 

If I recall my history, isn't the 94 actually a Chandler-Groves design that was done for Ford in exchange for one year's exclusive production? After that, Ford shopped the design around and Holley was the lowest bidder. So maybe Ford, not Holley, owned the design? Assuming it was even still protected.

-Dave

 

I read on here that Chandler lost the contract to Ford when Holley bid 10cents less per carb.

 

Yep, it's really caused by the Holley. But with Edelbrocks new release of their own 94, it becomes their problem too. And it's true about Chandler-Groves being the first for Ford. I made a webpage with some images of the fix if you want to view it.

http://www.taimantis.com/holley/holley94.html

Though the support techs were unaware, I'm curious to if the engineers were. If so, I guess it was their decision to stay exact to the vintage design on thier newly released 94. In doing so, they now have the same problem of incompatibility as before, but now it's within their own product line, not just their 3x2 1108/1109's against the vintage 94 Ford carbs in the front position.

I'll let you know what Edelbrock says.

 

If you know this is a problem with the alternator. Then why run one in this location? Or possibly try a few different kinds of alternator. It seems foolish to cut your carbs and grind them this much. Are "looks" that important that you are willing to risk a fire? I run 97's and 48's on my stuff. With some help from guys that know (i.e. Uncle Max/ Dickster etc.) they are good no leaks no problems. No power valves. Maybe Edelbrock did not design the first manifolds for 94's and a alternator. I'm pretty sure it was designed for 97's and a gen. But, I'm positive they will make a new something to cure the problem.

 

Moosemunch, are you offsetting the alternator, or running off the front of the manifold? I'm pretty sure that with a generator or and alternator the story is the same and you need to offset.

 

Most alternators have the same casing. If there is a smaller one, I'm not aware. I don't like the the look (symetry) of the alternator being offset by a bracket to the side. Just personal preference I guess. I know the Stromberg would fit, but I happen to like the Holley and have a bunch. I know them well enough to feel safe with the mod. If the mating airhorn and lower bowl surfaces are machined really good, it will work. I also plan to use an aluminum patch on the seam and a cushioned spacer (for vibration) as an extra precaution.

Like I mentioned on the page, Vic Edelbrock Sr. planned the triple deuce for the Stromberg 97. And just about every reseller of the Edelbrock 1108/9 (or SU-349/359) says they are compatible with the Holley 3-bolt. Not so if in the number one slot without the mod.

If I run into any problems, I'll post them.

 

Moosemunch, to keep this post on focus I sent you a PM. If you haven't done so already, set up a new thread if you would like to include others on the manifold discussion.

 

Thanks Vik......... got your PM and do agree with you . In fact, I just clarified on the page that I in no way am finding fault with Edelbrocks great products, or Holley as well. This was just something I happened to find a problem with since I happen to work with Holleys.

I also added that the mod I've done should be done with caution and at your own risk. I still think the resellers of the 1108/9 manifold should note the problem that anyone using Holley 3-bolt carbs will encounter without using an offset bracket. I'm sure there are a few out there.

I appreciate all the comments you guys have given. I wasn't finding any fault with any product, just the resellers tactics. And I thought the workaround (or info) might help someone if they decide not to go with an offset bracket. I suppose the offset bracket is the safest way to go.

Good luck.

Moosemunch

 

latest word is "at least 3 weeks" still no word on pricing.

I hope they structure the pricing better than they do everything else in their line.

 

New speedway catalog has a picture of Edelbrock 94 and a price of $349 if I remember correctly

 

Yea I just got that in the mail. $50 more than a new 97 isn't gonna be good for sales...

 

pretty sure new REAL 97's are in the $450-475 range for the new equal product...

 

yep, the Stromberg is more than the Speedway,

 

Gotta say, while I am VERY happy to see that these are made in the USA, I think the tag that they put on this, and other products detracts from the vintage looks...when things just WERE made in the USA...

 

I got word yesterday from my source at EGGE that they are coming out late summer, about Aug. He spoke with Edelbrock directly yesterday.

 

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/carbs_acc/94_two-barrel.shtml

Called the Edelbrock Tech Line and got the following information,

the carb is supposed to flow ~ 138 - 140 cfm

stock jetting and power valve numbers are not yet available, but should be close to the standard Holley 94.

 

Spoke to the Edelbrock rep at Autorama last week and he didn't know when the new 94s would be available or what the final price would be.

 

Now if they'd only do another run of 318 Poly intakes & valve covers...

~Jason

 

Any news?

 

Edelbrock "94" carbs are in the new Speedway catalog. Price, $349.99. You can rebuild a lot of original 94's for that kind of money.

 

still on backorder status at speedway......

 

and they've been there since the announcement. I think we're trying to see if any have been shipped yet.

 

I have a couple problems with that price, since thier 4bbl is a $100 cheaper and has a lot more parts i am thinking 'gouging!' - i will never buy one and hope nobody else does either until the price becomes realistic.
The other problem is that it ain't edelbrock anymore remember? I guarantee that the new owner bought edelbrocks' company to do just one thing - make money. They ain't concerned with heritage, legacy, tradition, value - these are just abstract concepts. If they did believe in those concepts they wouldn't have had to buy edelbrock, right? I sell edelbrock here in the shop and i have yet to even see what the new owners look like! You think i'm gonna advise a customer to plunk down $350 for one of those carbs and risk my reputation? Not a chance.