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  1. pigpen
    Joined: Aug 30, 2004
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    In Texas, proof of insurance has been required for some time to get registration and to pass the State inspection. The scofflaws just cancel their insurance after getting the proof. I doubt that a check will be made to verify that the proof is actually valid during a traffic stop or even could be made since insurance companies are not open 24 hrs. Aside from all of this, I wonder how much my premiums are going to decrease now that everyone has insurance? Anybody taking any bets that a decrease is going to happen? Texas has promised insurance reform in the home insurance area. It hasn't happened and I doubt that it will. I agree with Grimlock, and I agree with Brandy, but I still think that insurance companies are liars, thieves, and crooks, in cahoots with the politicos. That must mean that I agree with part of what Hack says too. Who would think that that would ever happen! :D

    pigpen
     
  2. CadillacKid
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    You guys make my head hurt. Lots of valid points on both sides of this fence. But my head still hurts.
     
  3. Mutt
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    "b29chevy]If requiring insurance on a car did the things the people say that it does, like;
    "keeps the insured off the road" "Protects me", etc. yatta- yatta- yatta- " that would be nice wouldn't it? "


    Why would it keep the insured off the road?:confused:




    "If I didn't have insurance and wrecked my car, who would pay? I would. That's the point. No body else should have to."



    If you wrecked my car with your car, who should pay?




    Mutt
     
  4. jimdillon
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    Chiming in on this thread might be like shaking a beehive and there good posts on both sides but it depends on whose ox is being gored, I suppose. In my universe a good morning exercise would begain with a public flogging of both insurers and the low life lawyers that peddle there wares in the trade. But the Texas and similar laws have a purpose that is not all bad. There are uninsured buffoons out there driving with their middle finger in a permanent salute to the system and the good guys. They get in a wreck on Monday, roll the dents out of the fenders on Tuesday with a baseball bat handle and by Wednseday they are ready for round two of destruction derby. They wont hear too many complaints from me if they take the damn car away.. Insurance isn't inherently evil but it is abused for sure and hopefully there is a way to deal with this but my trust threshold would be quite low on the word of some frog licking junkdriving fool telling me he would square up with me on the Tuesday following the next Friday of the upcoming quarter. We all know that it is hard to trust the politicians but I am one for tort reform. Muzzle the lawyers a bit and it can't be a bad start.
     
  5. HanibleH20
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  6. Nik
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    On what noboD asked earlier, one of my co-worker's Mom was killed by a DRUNK Illegal Immigrant who's only punishment was to be taken back across the border where he FUCKING belonged. No prison time, no nothing except a bus ride back to his native land. I'm not a prejudiced person by nature, especially with my family heritage, but living out here and seeing the free ride alot of these people get makes me sick. If you or I had done this we would be in prison and this POS who was here illegally in the first place, gets a ride back home. Unbelievable.:rolleyes: :(

    Nik


     
  7. spudsmania9
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    Well here goes my 2 cents.

    I'm kinda uptight about insurance due to an event in March 2000. Some drunk hit me head on .. left me with a permanently short left leg and hearing loss in my left ear... I keep finding little things years later that probably came from the wreck.. back pains and etc.
    I had about 100K US$ in direct expenses. Fortunately I had insurance and the drunk's friend who he borrowed the car from also had insurance.
    I don't like Texas using insurance as an excuse to prowl in someone's car. That's wrong. BUT..ya need insurance... real insurance NOT just $25K like Arkansas requires.
    Who can say he has never ever drifted across the center line, or nodded off at the wheel for just a second or been distracted by something.
    The guy who crossed the center line on me was drunk. He could just as easily been momentarily distracted. Doesn't matter about the cause. One minute I'm driving home - the next minute I'm touching my own tibia which is sticking out of what's left of my pants.
    After the wreck I realized that my $100K liability policy was underinsurance. There have been any number of times that I could have accidentally injured someone just as badly as I was injured.
    Driving a car down the road is a deadly serious business. Talking about how you'll be responsible for yourself simply isn't good enough. Can you pay a couple hundred thousand dollars out of your pocket? That's what it can cost and 1 second inattention is all it takes.

    Well I warned you that I'm uptight about insurance. Don't get me started on drunk drivers.
     
  8. Kevin Lee
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    You know I've tried your method twice - but both of the uninsured motorists who hit me jumped back into their car and fled the scene before I could talk to them.

    "Life's a gamble"....rad dude. That's all punk rock and stuff. I'm glad I was a punk rocker when I was sixteen so I don't have to try and do it now.

    Don't try to educate me about sheltered lives, low rent, and how things really work. Pffft, please.

     
  9. rockabillyjoe
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    You know, it would be nice if it were as easy as giving a name and number and saying send me the bill for the damages. But the Average person would not be able to afford paying for the damages out of pocket for a major collision. I know it's a whole different ball game but it's still regarding insurance. Don't you have to have insurance on your home while it is financed? You get raped just the same as in the car game. But it sure is nice to have when all your belongings get burned to a crisp. "such as my wifes and mine" while it was in storage while we were moving. Same insurance company that covers our 6 cars covers our homeowners. And I have to say I'm glad we had it. They even cover my toolbox and tools for full replacement value. Which is at my place of employment.
    I don't always like dealing with insurance companies, yet I do have a little sense of security having it.
     
  10. Careful the ins company thugs are watching (big brother ) , they can cause all kinds of havoc w your life , been on both sides of this issue + trust me, you don't want these assholes on your ASS ,being a sheep can cause you just as much pain tho.:rolleyes: I agree with this side of it tho even AFTER having MY car destroyed ,that sense od security disappears REAL fast when you watch these ins. assholes run n duck for cover when YOU have to file a claim,then have em come up w every clause or excuse in the book why THEY don't have to PAY,too much gov interference in everything period.I liked life MUCH better as a statistic instead of being mainstream.I'm beginning to feel like a turtle at the mercy of a mean kid , everytime I stick my head out to try to do it mainstream, someone pokes me in the eye w another bill/law, Our entire Legal/Medical/Pharmacutical(sp?) /Insurance industry's are a disgrace and desperately needs a revamp on so many levels it sickens me.Oh great! there went my good mood, I get em so often ya know :D
     
  11. seymour
    Joined: Jan 22, 2004
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    Apparently, I was negligent because I knowingly decided to drive a 6 volt car with dim taillights, not the fact that he was drunk, dozed off, and plowed the ass-end of my car. The fuckin jury assigned 100% fault to me, even after there was proof that he admitted having more than 7 drinks. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Tha Driver
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    You think the new law in Texas is bad (ga.'s had that one for years)? In Ga. *now* if they stop you, & you're not in THEIR database, you GO TO JAIL & they IMPOUND your car - EVEN IF YOU *HAVE* INSURANCE & *PROOF* OF SAME!!!!!
    I could write volumes on how screwed up the insurance cartell has made this country, with *unfair* MANDATORY insurance laws. But I have to get back to work buffing the Mera. I'll save it for ScrewedByinsurance.com (it'll be back up once I'm finished with the Mera). BTW did you folks know that *EVERY* POLITICIAN - & I mean *EVERY* FUCKING ONE OF THEM - gets "campaign contributions" from the INSURANCE CARTEL???? It's a DOCUMENTED fact: check it out if you don't believe me!
    ~ Paul
    aka "Tha Driver"

    Pardon my driving; I'm reloading
     
  13. Some jack ass ran a stop sign and I ran into him. He took off...probably because either he was drunk/stoned or he had no insurance. I wasn't injured, but my CAR sure as hell was. If I didn't have insurance on my CAR explain to me who, exactly woulda paid to fix it? Luckily the "uninsured motorist" part of my plan covered it.

    It's really a simple concept....GET INSURANCE OR GET THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD!!!!! I can't believe having to act like an adult is such a pain in the ass for some of you. Is it too much to show concern for someone other than yourself? Insurance is a pain in the ass, but it's saved me from being left with a wrecked piece of shit several times...all of which were the other person's fault. One person had insurance and the other bailed before I could get my busted up door open...both times the car was wasted.

    sheesh. :rolleyes:

    P.S. Comparing skateboards to cars/motorcycles is just about the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. You wanna get hit by a kid on a board or you wanna get run over by a 2 ton automobile? And exactly how many skateboarders are you coming into contact with, on a daily basis? How many cars? You don't wanna carry insurance...GREAT!...ride a skateboard instead of driving a car.

    Again...GET INSURANCE or RIDE THE BUS.
     
  14. OH...for those of ya'll worried about the search of the vehicle part of this law...QUIT CARRYING ILLEGAL STUFF AROUND and you won't have a problem!!!! wow...novel concept. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Dirk35
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  16. In New York, if an officer wants he runs your plates through DMV. In the old days, they did it via radio on a second channel. Now, they have laptops in the car. In a matter of a few minutes they can verify if your insurance is valid. If you don't have the card it doesn't matter - they run the plate it tells them if you're insured.

    Why is that too complicated for these other states?


    An illegal alien should have no rights. In fact it should be perfectly legal to shoot them for fun. Not because I think it's cool to kill people, but it might slow down the flood of them if we treated them like the third world citizens many of them in fact are. If they commit a crime, there shouldn't be a jury trial or any of that. One panel to review the evidence and put them all in a special jail that's right out of "Escape from New York" or something like that.


    Or better yet throw them out before they get into accidents, but that will never happen.


    As for insurance, the problem with it is it's a for profit business. Not that they shouldn't make money, otherwise they'd go out of business. But if some democrat wanted to nationalize it, I'd have to sit down and think it over wether or not that would be a bad thing. (ultimately it's a draw, the potential new abuses would about equal any possible benefits).

    Because it's for profit, they use any possible excuse to A: raise rates and B: not pay claims. The other problem is that too often the police on the scene act as judge and jury of the situation, and if they want to state the facts in a less than accurate manner, it's up to you to come up with a burden of proof to support the truth. For example, if you're young and white, and a black woman pulls out in front of you, and you hit her, and a black cop shows up to make the report - plan to get blamed even if she fell out of the sky on top of you. That was my 25th birthday present, quite a few years ago.


    The most amusing one I had was this roadrager who passes me on the shoulder going down an offramp, sideswipes the car, has some witness to lie to say I cut him off, and I get blamed. For that to have happened, I would have had to somehow magically plow through his car and three others - he was pissed I didn't slow down to let him out in front of me and decided he would pass on the shoulder after I already went by him.

    On the bright side, the insurance people found brown paint on his car. The car I was driving was white. So they paid him a claim of $12.00 damage. I've always meant to go find that guy and kick his ass around the moon, but it's not worth the bother. Besides, he couldn't have been too happy with the half-tank of gas he netted on it. But it pissed me off that the insurance people wouldn't even look at the scrape mark on the bottom of the mirror - just about anyone could tell the marks went from the back of the mirror toward the front. If I just cut him off, wouldn't his normal reaction be to hit the brake and slow down and the marks would start toward the front of the plastic mirror body and go toward the back?


    Oh well. I'm pretty sure the whole thing was a scam for money, although why he picked the piece of crap I was driving to go after is beyond me - probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then again with mandatory insurance it doesn't really matter what car you drive - everyone has it, so you can nail anyone and make a scam work. If they pick someone with no insurance, that person is really screwed.
     
  17. gas4blood
    Joined: Nov 19, 2005
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    Here's a thought I haven't seen here yet. What if someone steals your stuff? No insurance means a total loss to you! Unless, of course, you get real lucky and get it back somehow. Don't bother to rant about hating theives and what you'l do with your gun, bat, etc. The issue is do you want to risk total loss? There are also fire, tornadoes, earthquakes, flood, etc. I have insured with Smith and Wesson for years, but then one time I wasn't home.....they didn't get away with the bike I have owned for 32 years, but they tore it up trying. My loss, I had only liability. It's my choice about how to handle the realization that non-accident losses can occur. Now what? I hate insurance companies. Between health, multiple car, and house insurance, I spend a huge percentage of my take home pay. I have decided to at least partially insure some things against the non-accident occurances. I have taken other measures as well. (no, I ain't saying what!):eek:
    Ya know what? HAMB is insurance of a kind...I'd pity the fool that stole from or scammed a HAMB member.
     
  18. BELLM
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    I pay extra on my insurance for uninsured motorist coverage to protect myself & my family from the irresponsible asshole fucking idiots who don't carry insurance.

    Anyone know how much a helicopter ride is to the hospital? About $8,000.00. A month in the hospital for a 6 yr old child with severe head injuries that will affect her the rest of her life? About $400,000.00.

    Some asswipe hits you, you are a responsible citizen who has worked all your life to have something and you gotta sell it to pay the hospital bills. Of course if you chose not to work, and those of us who do already support your lazy ass, then the fucking government pays it or the bills are forgiven, you don't have to pay.

    Sure you can get a lawyer, sue, he gets 33-50% of what you recover, but if the uninsured driver has nothing, you get nothing.

    If you drive a car, you should have insurance unless you are rich and can pay for whatever you might cause. Of course in todays society no one is really responsible for their own actions, they are always a fucking victim.

    Fucking grow up!!!!!!
     
  19. Here's a little something else to think about if you choose to run without insurance.

    Whether you're living in the low rent district or not, you do own things of value.
    Get a judgement against you and if you have no insurance, they're gonna take your possessions until the claim is satisfied.

    Granted, that's not gonna work with the illegal aliens, but if you're a US citizen you can be found.
    It's easy to find anyone nowadays.

    You may not get full value out of your possesions either.
    That unfinished Deuce three window sitting in your garage is an old car worth perhaps $500. to some people even though we know different.
    $15,000. worth of tools looks like a few hundred bucks to non-tool users . . . ad infinitum.

    If you refuse to pay up, a lien will be placed against your house and cars.
    You may run for it, but somewhere along the line, you'll get caught up with.
    Usually when you try to sell the house.

    The situation that FatHack quotes, two young gentlemen agreeing on who's at fault and paying cash up front in a cooperative endeavor is a seldom seen thing nowadays.
    Most times the hitter starts avoiding you and after a little time goes by, since you don't have a legal leg to stand on, you get stiffed.

    Dealing with insurance-less people is a giant can of worms.
    How honest will they be be if they're breaking the law by driving without insurance to start with?
     
  20. specialk
    Joined: Sep 28, 2005
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    Good law. No insurance, no drive. Period.
     
  21. I guess I'm sorta confused. Fat Hack and Hatch seem to be saying that you don't need insurance save to protect yourself, and you can protect yourself with a pistol.

    So, a drunk comes down the pike and slams into Fat Hacks chariot (a Citation, unless I forget), gets out, proclaims he has "seen the light, brother!!", and will pay for everything, just send the bill here, handing over an address on a wrinkled peice of parchment.

    Bill comes, gets sent, and is promptly returned, address not found.

    Fat Hack gets in his chariot (X11, top O' the line), and hunts down said character, pistol in hand. By some wild circumstance, F H FINDS said drunk, in a bar.

    Fight ensues, because that's what a skater DOES man, fights for what is RIGHT, man!! Pistol comes out, shots fired, man dies. Now, the police arrive, arrest F H for a variety of offences, and he's away for life.

    This leaves his family members without him, a stunned mother and disbelieving father, as well as the drunk's family without him, only more so. All this because we never learned to follow society's rules and thought it OK to hand out justice based on how we feel at any one time.

    And that's only ONE way it might happen. Consider a different set of circumstances:

    Drunk hits F H, F H, mad as hell, gets out to confront drunk. Drunk, who is not above OTHER illegal acts, shoots to kill. Because drunk thinks the same as F H, but ACTS faster.

    Christ on a stick, follow the God Damn law!!! Buy the fucking insurance and consider it a part of owning an automobile, which it IS!!! Then, if you're still upset, RUN FOR FUCKING OFFICE!!!! Get yourself involved more than ranting on a public BBS about how you'll kill the next bastard to get in your way.

    Insured by Smith and Wesson is just about the stupidest thing I have EVER heard. Think about it this way: IF you spot someone stealing your stuff, do you REALLY think that you can shoot him dead and go on with your life like nothing ever happened?? Do you REALLY think that the police will just show up, cart the body away and THANK you?? Do you REALLY think that the burglar's family will accept that he was bad, and leave you alone?? Do you REALLY think that HE doesn't have a gun, too?? And that he MIGHT be MORE ready to use it??

    If you do, you are dumber than the dumbest. And you OBVIOUSLY have never thought this through beyond bragging to your buddies.

    I actually know someone who USED to carry a piece. One day, he was pulling people out of ditches with his 4WD during a snow storm. A couple guys refused to pay, so he pulled the piece. Being as he hadn't thought this through, he wasn't prepared to actually shoot them. So, they stole not only his pistol, but all the money he had, too.
    BUT, he stayed out of prison and is still thought only a fool.

    Cosmo
     
  22. Fat Hack
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    Ha Ha Ha, that's some funny shit, Cosmo...but I never once mentioned using a gun...I don't own a gun, and wouldn't shoot some fucker over a fender bender anyway??

    The Dad in the movie Friday was one smart motherfucker! When he talked to his son about being a Man...

    "You kids these days, so quick to pick up a gun! That's the problem, everyone's afraid to take an ass whoopin! Back when I was growing up, these (holding up fists) were all the protection you needed. You win some, you lose some...but you LIVE to fight another day!"

    But anyway...back to the subject at hand...I never talked about shooting anyone over a car accident. I had my Monte SS stolen a few years ago and the little crackhead motherfucker smashed it into a tree running from the cops...DETROIT COPS who promptly turned him loose, citing insufficient evidence to PROVE he stole the car! I got the car back smashed up and fixed it myself, then drove it for another year or so.

    (Of course, I had to pay all the towing and impound fees to get the wrecked car back from the incompetent cops and the impound yard they feed).

    The police protected the kid to this day...won't furnish me with a name or address. That's what cops and your precious System DO...coddle the criminals...it's a fucking free-for-all against the GOOD guys!

    If I ran across the kid that boosted my old Monte today, I'd probably pop him once in the mouth, then buy him a beer and ask him to tell me the story in detail, for kicks!

    It's water under the bridge, cars can be fixed and the human body is designed to mend itself...time heals all wounds...that shit is the TRUTH!

    An ass whoopin is the WORST you'd get from ME over an accident.

    Life's too short to carry stupid grudges.
     
  23. InDaShop
    Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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    Aside from all the above^^^^^^drama....

    I actually live in Texas now and can state for a fact that its just not here but nationwide epidimic of uninsured motorist on the road.

    In my 5 years living in Houston, I've had 1 car totalled, and another rearended 6 times! Luckily, after the totalled wreck I got a lifted Chevy 3/4ton with a bigass back bumper and hitch setup. So the rearendings have yet to do any more damage than a rattle can of black can't fix. The car that got totalled, I got "T" boned by a drunk, illegal, in a stolen truck.

    In all 7 instances, the other drivers had no insurance. In all 7 instances the other drivers were hispanic.

    Of all the wrecks my friends have been involved in Houston I have yet to here of the other driver having INS.

    Now I'm not sure how they got from no insurance to search and seizure of a car???? And I'm all for no giving up our rights!!!!!!!!! But their needs to be a major reform of the current INS. system, and if this is the start. I guess I'll be hanging out at the Police Impound Auto Auctions making my money back!!!!!!
     
  24. gas4blood
    Joined: Nov 19, 2005
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    Insured by Smith and Wesson is just about the stupidest thing I have EVER heard. Think about it this way: IF you spot someone stealing your stuff, do you REALLY think that you can shoot him dead and go on with your life like nothing ever happened?? Do you REALLY think that the police will just show up, cart the body away and THANK you?? Do you REALLY think that the burglar's family will accept that he was bad, and leave you alone?? Do you REALLY think that HE doesn't have a gun, too?? And that he MIGHT be MORE ready to use it??

    If you do, you are dumber than the dumbest. And you OBVIOUSLY have never thought this through beyond bragging to your buddies.

    Hey, Cosmo, tell us what you really think! Ha! My comment was not stating I'd shoot anybody. I wouldn't. Would I call the cops first thing? Yep. Would I pop a round in the ground to make 'em stop messing with my stuff? Yep. Did I say anything about violence? Nope. Could my post be misconstrued as taking a violent stance? yep. Do I brag to buddies? nope. You have a lot of ideas there, but they don't really jive with what I said. For what it's worth, I know exactly who tried to take my stuff, and did get some things. Neighor kids. I have not shot them, or even talked to them. Or their folks. I'm letting the cops handle it. Do I keep an extra sharp eye on them? Only a fool wouldn't. The cops were over at their house last night for something. Bad folks. Long records. But I will not go to prison, ever, for trash like that. So, I guess I'm not as dumb-assed as you think. I don't think folks should violently or illegally take the law into their own hands. These kids have taken to burglary of houses now, and are well known for their poor attitudes about females. I would protect my family. I had my fill of violence about 35 years ago in some little conflict I was on the edges of. So, have a happy new year, Cosmo and all! It's gonna be great!
     
  25. metalshapes
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    I havent read all 83 Posts on this Thread, but think this might be one of those Drama filled bullshit Threads the HAMB really doesnt need...
     
  26. Junkyard Jan
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    I'm not going to argue the rights or wrongs of mandatory auto insurance. Ohio didn't require it until '81 and unless I had a car financed, I didn't carry insurance. But....when it was made compulsary here, there was a neat little deal called a surety bond. You paid an agent for this just like car insurance and actually the cost was a bit lower than a regular policy. It insured YOU driving any car you or someone else owned. Almost everybody I know has several cars, so we all bought one. But evidently the insurance conglomerate decided that they weren't making big enough bucks from selling bonds and discontinued 'em. For my money, that was the fairest form of auto insurance. As to letting someone else drive one of your cars, it is your responsibility...as it should be, to make sure they have some sort of coverage, either with their own policy or yours.

    Jan
     
  27. 50flathead
    Joined: Mar 8, 2005
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    There are many examples of statutes that help the minority rich at the expense of the masses. Ever try to get a building permit and act as your own GC? It's like going to court without a lawer!
     
  28. fuel pump
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    You got that right. Way too much drama and incorrect information for me:(
     
  29. fab32
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    Now I know why I like you (having never met you) besides your metal working skills. Thanks,

    frank
     
  30. So you wouldn't blame the church if you fell while skating on their PRIVATE PROPERTY? Bully good for you. You're trespassing and should be subject to arrest. "You don't like the risks involved with something? Don't do it."

    "When I bleed...it's MY problem...not yours, and not some insurance company's."
    Oh so very WRONG!! It IS my problem becuase my tax dollars go to pay for fire and ambulance services. My tax dollars pay for police enforcement of laws enacted by DULY ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND my tax dollars pay for subsidies for hospitals to cover the expenses of people who are involved in accidents WITHOUT any insurance or financial means to pay for their broken bones and bleeding bodies. So yes, when you bleed it IS my problem. "If you fail to understand something, look for the financial interest."

    "If you drive like an asshole and hurt somebody, the cops need to pull you out of your car and beat you fucking senseless in the street..."
    So very wrong again. Your knee jerk reaction to someone daring to ask you to be prepared to cover the expenses of someone elses injuries due to your fault while operating a motor vehicle on PUBLIC ROADWAYS is apalling. That sort of attitude smacks of totalitarianism and a lawless police state where the citizenry is not afforded the priviledge of due process in a court of law. These are some of the very tenets this country and it's Constitution are founded upon. I know some very fine men nad women who have made immesurable scrifices to procect that Constitution and all it stands for.

    If you don't like the laws change them, you do this by voting and dealing with your elected officials. I

    If you have a beef with an industry, buy stock in it and then you'll have access to the Executive Board and a platform from which to pontificate.

    If you have a problem with the police enforcing the laws enacted by your elected officials, then run from them, call them facist bastards and tools of coprorate greed, give them the finger, spit on them and tell them to fuck off, you're not going to cowtow to The Man and his stupid laws. See how much love that'll get ya! "You don't like the risks involved with something? Don't do it."
     
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